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Title: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: DynamoHum on August 25, 2018, 03:41:23 AM
I think I can probably trace it back to one very odd event.

I was 5. Watching telly at home and heard the Vrillon broadcast.

Looking back I am still extremely pleased I heard this live, even though it shocked and scared me (and my mum who i called into the lounge to hear it with me). I remember the exact moment it started and all of the rest of the broadcast. It still evokes sense memories from that time for me.

Was it a hoax? Dunno, a very clever hoax to have pulled that off and very clever planning to have hit an area full of so many US airbases etc.

It planted a seed in my 5 year old mind that's never let go.

Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: TigerLily on August 25, 2018, 09:50:32 AM
I have never heard of Vrillion. That should wake you up. Not a fake "woke". I especially like how it interrupted with the news and concluded with a cartoon. I'll Google it

My mom was pretty witchy. In a magick sense. Not with a b. She was very low-key about it. More just open-minded. I grew up in a house with cats and a ghost. My mom taught me to determine the sex of our cat's newborn kittens by holding a thread with a needle or small ring over one. If it went in a circle - female; back and forth - male. I've always used the same method on my pregnant friends by holding a thread and ring over their tummy. Never been wrong. I remember my little brother when he was around 4 or 5 telling my mom and me experiences from a past life. My mom neither made a big deal about it or dismissed it. Just listened. Lots of other similar things growing up. My surprise was learning at 10 years old that all these things I took for granted were "paranormal".  I've continued to have "paranormal" experiences all my life. I think just because I was raised to be open-minded. But not empty-headed. I can be very rational and skeptical hearing tales on the radio and podcasts, etc. Thanks, Mom
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: TigerLily on August 25, 2018, 10:09:10 AM

Here's the Wikipedia site on Vrillion

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Television_broadcast_interruption
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Bart Ell on August 25, 2018, 10:24:25 AM
I think I can probably trace it back to one very odd event.

I was 5. Watching telly at home and heard the Vrillon broadcast.

Looking back I am still extremely pleased I heard this live, even though it shocked and scared me (and my mum who i called into the lounge to hear it with me). I remember the exact moment it started and all of the rest of the broadcast. It still evokes sense memories from that time for me.

Was it a hoax? Dunno, a very clever hoax to have pulled that off and very clever planning to have hit an area full of so many US airbases etc.

It planted a seed in my 5 year old mind that's never let go.



As I read this Art is mentioning it on The Ultimate Art Bell feed.
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: DynamoHum on August 25, 2018, 04:05:10 PM
I have never heard of Vrillion. That should wake you up. Not a fake "woke". I especially like how it interrupted with the news and concluded with a cartoon. I'll Google it

My mom was pretty witchy. In a magick sense. Not with a b. She was very low-key about it. More just open-minded. I grew up in a house with cats and a ghost. My mom taught me to determine the sex of our cat's newborn kittens by holding a thread with a needle or small ring over one. If it went in a circle - female; back and forth - male. I've always used the same method on my pregnant friends by holding a thread and ring over their tummy. Never been wrong. I remember my little brother when he was around 4 or 5 telling my mom and me experiences from a past life. My mom neither made a big deal about it or dismissed it. Just listened. Lots of other similar things growing up. My surprise was learning at 10 years old that all these things I took for granted were "paranormal".  I've continued to have "paranormal" experiences all my life. I think just because I was raised to be open-minded. But not empty-headed. I can be very rational and skeptical hearing tales on the radio and podcasts, etc. Thanks, Mom

Yeah .. I hear you re the being rational and skeptical, I like listening to weird and freaky stuff and I may not believe it but I enjoy it. The stranger the better. You were lucky your mum was very open minded about things. My mum wouldn’t let used furniture or books in the house because they could harbour evenly spirits ... 
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: DynamoHum on August 25, 2018, 04:07:18 PM
As I read this Art is mentioning it on The Ultimate Art Bell feed.

I had always decided that if I was going to talk to Art about anything it would have been about this experience. Oh well .. I remember the show where he talked about it. There are no coincidences!
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Lob Bazare on August 30, 2018, 05:40:13 PM
BIgfoot initially got me into the paranormal. Had a sighting when I was very young. Scared the hell out of me & gave me nightmares for many years. As I got older I've had sleep paralysis and had two dream premonitions that came true the day following the dreams. One was stupid and very trivial and one predicted an injury. They weren't vague and symbolic dreams that you had to stretch to get meaning out of either. They were very precise and exact.
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: DynamoHum on August 31, 2018, 05:31:37 AM
BIgfoot initially got me into the paranormal. Had a sighting when I was very young. Scared the hell out of me & gave me nightmares for many years. As I got older I've had sleep paralysis and had two dream premonitions that came true the day following the dreams. One was stupid and very trivial and one predicted an injury. They weren't vague and symbolic dreams that you had to stretch to get meaning out of either. They were very precise and exact.

I think I would like to see Bigfoot, but I think the reality would be very different. Never had premonitions of any kind, used to get deja vu a lot, I think my brain has slowed down so that particular thing is not likely to happen again!
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on August 31, 2018, 05:36:38 AM
I was born into the paranormal.
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: ponyboysunset on August 31, 2018, 06:47:20 AM
I think I can probably trace it back to one very odd event.

I was 5. Watching telly at home and heard the Vrillon broadcast.

Looking back I am still extremely pleased I heard this live, even though it shocked and scared me (and my mum who i called into the lounge to hear it with me). I remember the exact moment it started and all of the rest of the broadcast. It still evokes sense memories from that time for me.

Was it a hoax? Dunno, a very clever hoax to have pulled that off and very clever planning to have hit an area full of so many US airbases etc.

It planted a seed in my 5 year old mind that's never let go.


I forgot about this! Thanks for bringing it up again and giving me a rabbit hole to go down today!
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Fast and Bulbous on August 31, 2018, 07:27:11 AM
My parents and grandmother and great aunts were all members of a Spiritist cult group. They were all true believers. They always getting messages from their spirit guides .

Message delivery usually involved going to a meeting and paying a donation to the medium who had the ability to talk to the dead.

Growing up around that I was encouraged to try to see ghosts and auras. And from a young age, I began to see orbs, auras,  ghosts that might or might not be spirit guides, hear voices, seeing fiery writing in the air, and have full OBEs. It was a Carlos Castaneda experience.

I was seeing and hearing the same things as the mediums. Like the mediums,  i was prone to frequent headaches .  I was just as successful as the mediums at locating hidden treasure and prediction of lotto numbers--which was never. When i told my parents i was never believed. I guess the fact that I wasn't charging them large donations ruined my credibilty.

Often when i saw some of the phenomena, I  would get a headache--not an ordinary headache but a headache that had me hiding in A dark room and curling up on the floor.

My parents didn't believe there was any headache that praying couldn’t cure, so I was never treated until I moved away.     I was diagnosed with migraines in a foreign hospital years later

It turned out that what I was experiencing was migraine auras.  They occur maybe an hour before the headaches start  . They also occur without the head ache just as often.
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: KSM on August 31, 2018, 06:43:02 PM
Small black handprints on the walls just after I painted my daughters bedroom as a surprise for when she would return home from summer camp. Little black ash-like handprints as if a three year old child pressed their clammy palms into an ashtray then pressing their hand on the newly pink wall above my daughters bed.

Happened again two years later when we painted the living room as the same prints appeared on the valance above the front window. Made me really sad, both times.
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on August 31, 2018, 06:56:25 PM
My parents and grandmother and great aunts were all members of a Spiritist cult group. They were all true believers. They always getting messages from their spirit guides .

Message delivery usually involved going to a meeting and paying a donation to the medium who had the ability to talk to the dead.

Growing up around that I was encouraged to try to see ghosts and auras. And from a young age, I began to see orbs, auras,  ghosts that might or might not be spirit guides, hear voices, seeing fiery writing in the air, and have full OBEs. It was a Carlos Castaneda experience.

I was seeing and hearing the same things as the mediums. Like the mediums,  i was prone to frequent headaches .  I was just as successful as the mediums at locating hidden treasure and prediction of lotto numbers--which was never. When i told my parents i was never believed. I guess the fact that I wasn't charging them large donations ruined my credibilty.

Often when i saw some of the phenomena, I  would get a headache--not an ordinary headache but a headache that had me hiding in A dark room and curling up on the floor.

My parents didn't believe there was any headache that praying couldn’t cure, so I was never treated until I moved away.     I was diagnosed with migraines in a foreign hospital years later

It turned out that what I was experiencing was migraine auras.  They occur maybe an hour before the headaches start  . They also occur without the head ache just as often.

wow
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: albrecht on August 31, 2018, 07:01:51 PM
Small black handprints on the walls just after I painted my daughters bedroom as a surprise for when she would return home from summer camp. Little black ash-like handprints as if a three year old child pressed their clammy palms into an ashtray then pressing their hand on the newly pink wall above my daughters bed.

Happened again two years later when we painted the living room as the same prints appeared on the valance above the front window. Made me really sad, both times.
I know you prep but at first I thought maybe some kid had really greasey hands n the paint wouldnt cover. Believe or not grease, even from cheese or cooking, gets into plaster or sheetrock it will often 'reappear' if simply painted over
 But over the window? Creepy.
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Inglorious Bitch on August 31, 2018, 07:03:44 PM
Small black handprints on the walls just after I painted my daughters bedroom as a surprise for when she would return home from summer camp. Little black ash-like handprints as if a three year old child pressed their clammy palms into an ashtray then pressing their hand on the newly pink wall above my daughters bed.

Happened again two years later when we painted the living room as the same prints appeared on the valance above the front window. Made me really sad, both times.

Both times were the handprints in the same place?
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Walks_At_Night on August 31, 2018, 07:25:23 PM
Three things.

1)  I was just a kid when this went down.  Coolest Alien sighting ever
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2) My folks had a UFO sighting before I was born.   It apparently pissed the Air Force off because they saw a couple of
    F 106's out of Selfridge AFB go up after it.  The jets broke the sound barrier over town so it there must have been
    *something* there

3) In Search Of!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: albrecht on August 31, 2018, 07:37:33 PM
My parents and grandmother and great aunts were all members of a Spiritist cult group. They were all true believers. They always getting messages from their spirit guides .

Message delivery usually involved going to a meeting and paying a donation to the medium who had the ability to talk to the dead.

Growing up around that I was encouraged to try to see ghosts and auras. And from a young age, I began to see orbs, auras,  ghosts that might or might not be spirit guides, hear voices, seeing fiery writing in the air, and have full OBEs. It was a Carlos Castaneda experience.

I was seeing and hearing the same things as the mediums. Like the mediums,  i was prone to frequent headaches .  I was just as successful as the mediums at locating hidden treasure and prediction of lotto numbers--which was never. When i told my parents i was never believed. I guess the fact that I wasn't charging them large donations ruined my credibilty.

Often when i saw some of the phenomena, I  would get a headache--not an ordinary headache but a headache that had me hiding in A dark room and curling up on the floor.

My parents didn't believe there was any headache that praying couldn’t cure, so I was never treated until I moved away.     I was diagnosed with migraines in a foreign hospital years later

It turned out that what I was experiencing was migraine auras.  They occur maybe an hour before the headaches start  . They also occur without the head ache just as often.
Interesting story? Mexico or Oz or what country? So do you think now the headaches caused or vice-versa and 'successful as a medium' means what? Not knocking you but to clarify a cool history. In other words,
1) physical symptom vs 'ability' and which causes, or coorelates or happens first
2) mediums vs person with condition reliably predicting, contacting, etc. As good as frauds or chance or good as finding/predicting?
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: KSM on August 31, 2018, 08:28:24 PM
Both times were the handprints in the same place?
Daughters bedroom upstairs the first time, the second time a few years later on a lower floor about 7'3 from the floor. We've painted since then a few times in other rooms with no repeat performances. Like a child wanting to be noticed and possibly protesting changes within the house. Incidentally, none of my dogs since I bought the house in 1998 will stay more than 10 seconds in that now vacant bedroom. Not reading anything into anything, just reporting.


I know you prep but at first I thought maybe some kid had really greasey hands n the paint wouldnt cover. Believe or not grease, even from cheese or cooking, gets into plaster or sheetrock it will often 'reappear' if simply painted over
 But over the window? Creepy.
Definitely prep, I'm in construction and I do things properly but this was literally like you take a deep, deep breathe and hold it warming the moistened air and then breathing it out to the entire palm surface of your hand and then flatten your hand into black ash. It was on the dried paint. It was a sad kind of feeling..
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Inglorious Bitch on August 31, 2018, 08:32:49 PM
Incidentally, none of my dogs since I bought the house in 1998 will stay more than 10 seconds in that now vacant bedroom. Not reading anything into anything, just reporting.


Have you tried burning sage in that room? Maybe a spirit just needs to be crossed over. I am not sure who you would get for that. Someone like a Mary Anne Winkowski I guess. Or a priest maybe.
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: KSM on August 31, 2018, 08:50:54 PM
Have you tried burning sage in that room? Maybe a spirit just needs to be crossed over. I am not sure who you would get for that. Someone like a Mary Anne Winkowski I guess. Or a priest maybe.
I dealt with it myself one night and that was the last of it... There's a little more to it than hand prints and I eventually sat down and had a, discussion with it.  Before the hands it was a very loud scratching in the concrete walls of the basement between 1 and 4 am. Couldn't ever pinpoint the exact spot but it would carry three floors up and we'd hear it upstairs at night. Both things were related and it wasn't malicious, I know that.


Can I please go back to being a goofball ;)
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: WhiteCrow on August 31, 2018, 09:25:06 PM
My Mom was paranormal du jour. Every new paranormal phenomenon that came along she would follow.

Her given name is Aura and she reads auras.
I was a skeptic from an early age, Mom sez my aura is brown.

She was a fun Mom with people around and would entertained my friends with many different ways to predict their future. Alone she was very demanding and depressed.

I was also raised Catholic (Dad's influence) and enjoy and appreciate both religions and the paranormal.

Dave S is now talking on his show about his life long fear of death.
I instead live my life, as this may be all we have, with the wisdom of Pascal's argument; that a rational person should live as though God exists and "seek" to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell).

I donate to Falkie, the Church and to Dave S.

Love ALL

Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: 21st Century Man on August 31, 2018, 09:30:03 PM
The Amityville Horror.  First read about it in '76 in the newspaper and it really made an impact on me.  Then the book, Communion,  got me interested in UFO's.  Also liked In Search Of. 

I mistated something. Actually Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind got me interested in UFO's but really didn't start reading books about them 'til Communion.
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: albrecht on August 31, 2018, 09:51:00 PM
Daughters bedroom upstairs the first time, the second time a few years later on a lower floor about 7'3 from the floor. We've painted since then a few times in other rooms with no repeat performances. Like a child wanting to be noticed and possibly protesting changes within the house. Incidentally, none of my dogs since I bought the house in 1998 will stay more than 10 seconds in that now vacant bedroom. Not reading anything into anything, just reporting.

Definitely prep, I'm in construction and I do things properly but this was literally like you take a deep, deep breathe and hold it warming the moistened air and then breathing it out to the entire palm surface of your hand and then flatten your hand into black ash. It was on the dried paint. It was a sad kind of feeling..
Yeah due to yer other posts I know you know proper ways which why story is good. And the higher part print, no kid with greasy or dirty hands being up there. Weird stuff. Dogs, cats are always weird, but how dogs will decide to not like a room, stare/bark at a 'location', and even figure out where to settle. Sure I get better ears, instinct about circling, able to detect smells but that still doesn't make it less weird, at times.
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Fast and Bulbous on September 01, 2018, 06:49:36 AM
Interesting story? Mexico or Oz or what country? So do you think now the headaches caused or vice-versa and 'successful as a medium' means what? Not knocking you but to clarify a cool history. In other words,
1) physical symptom vs 'ability' and which causes, or coorelates or happens first
2) mediums vs person with condition reliably predicting, contacting, etc. As good as frauds or chance or good as finding/predicting?
A proportion of migraine sufferers experience a set of physical symptoms called "aura" around an hour before the migraine strikes. During "aura," all kinds of interesting things can be seen, heard, felt, and smelled. For example, people will have halos--New Age mystical auras. Orbs, flashing lights, and geometric patterns are also seen. Medically, the aura is considered to be an early symptom of migraine. What makes some people susceptible to migraines is unknown.

New Age "psychics" and spiritist mediums claim to see the same thing I've described.   

Everybody wants to be special. When I saw these things for the first time, I wanted to believe it was some special psychic power or paranormal experience -- clairvoyance, telepathy, the voice of God. Afterall, I saw the same things as professional "psychics" and mediums.

I took notes on what I experienced. I devised ways to test some of the experiences objectively. The tests were crude, but they were good enough to rule out genuine psi ability--my results were never consistent.

They fail the scientific test of repeatability. For example, I try to view a street scene outside of my apartement during an OBE. I take note of the people I see and what they're wearing. I look for something unusual--something that would not normally be there. It will stand out. 

I observe an old lady walking a giant poodle with a green mohawk whose balls have been dyed red. She and the dog are on the sidewalk in front of my aptartment. Then, I wake up as fast as I can, and write "poodle with mohawk and red nuts" in my notebook and put the date and time. I run outside and look around. I look for what I saw during the OBE.

Nobody is in sight.  I can see around two hundred yards up and down the street, and there are no side streets.  I dismiss it as a failure,  and go back to the door.

As I'm walking inside, I turn around and look at the street one last time. The old lady and her freaky poodle are going by (in the same direction). All of the details are the same except for the timing. They were five minutes late. I'd never seen either of them before.

I try teh same experiment ten more times that month, and I don't see anything even close again. Then it happens again on the 11th try.

Having said all that, once in a while, there is an uncanny result that is too unlikely to be a coincidence. But it does not happen often enough and never "on demand." 

Strangely, weather phenomena is like the paranormal. Ball lightning, for example, has been observed and even photographed. But it never happens consistently or on demand. AFIK, no lab has produced it.

I don't think the migraines are a side-effect of psi ability. If there is real psi ability, it's too inconsistent.

1) I believe most of my experiences can be explained by the migraine aura. They are the most noticeable just before a migraine, but they are there all the time but not as prominent.

Other things like OBE are different. It turns out to be a natural, physiological phenomenon that anybody can experience, either with practice or in a lab that is equipped with a transcranial stimulation rig.

2) I've never seen or read about a "medium" or profesional "psychic" do anything convincing. Nobody cranks out tomorrows winning lotto jackpot numbers beyond chance. Nobody locates hidden treasure beyond chance or beyond a reasonable guess somebody would make if they are familiar with the case.

Not even Houdini's mediums were able to give the secret message hidden in the sealed envelope. ( Houdini was a believer. He wanted to prove it. this was intended to be proof of communication from the dead. )

 I think some of the mediums are experiencing migraine auras. They saw orbs and ghosts (hallucinations) and fooled themselves into believing they had "the Power." They're self-deluded, but they don't intend to trick people.

The rest of the mediums are simply frauds and vultures (eg Lasha from the Heather Wad train wreck). Their MO is cold reading and doing background checks on their clients when they make an appointment and before they show up.
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on September 01, 2018, 06:53:27 AM
A proportion of migraine sufferers experience a set of physical symptoms called "aura" around an hour before the migraine strikes. During "aura," all kinds of interesting things can be seen, heard, felt, and smelled. For example, people will have halos--New Age mystical auras. Orbs, flashing lights, and geometric patterns are also seen. Medically, the aura is considered to be an early symptom of migraine. What makes some people susceptible to migraines is unknown.

New Age "psychics" and spiritist mediums claim to see the same thing I've described.   

Everybody wants to be special. When I saw these things for the first time, I wanted to believe it was some special psychic power or paranormal experience -- clairvoyance, telepathy, the voice of God. Afterall, I saw the same things as professional "psychics" and mediums.

I took notes on what I experienced. I devised ways to test some of the experiences objectively. The tests were crude, but they were good enough to rule out genuine psi ability--my results were never consistent.

They fail the scientific test of repeatability. For example, I try to view a street scene outside of my apartement during an OBE. I take note of the people I see and what they're wearing. I look for something unusual--something that would not normally be there. It will stand out. 

I observe an old lady walking a giant poodle with a green mohawk whose balls have been dyed red. She and the dog are on the sidewalk in front of my aptartment. Then, I wake up as fast as I can, and write "poodle with mohawk and red nuts" in my notebook and put the date and time. I run outside and look around. I look for what I saw during the OBE.

Nobody is in sight.  I can see around two hundred yards up and down the street, and there are no side streets.  I dismiss it as a failure,  and go back to the door.

As I'm walking inside, I turn around and look at the street one last time. The old lady and her freaky poodle are going by. I'd never seen either of them before.

I try teh same experiment ten more times that month, and I don't see anything even close again.

1) I believe most of my experiences can be explained by the migraine aura. They are the most noticeable just before a migraine, but they are there all the time but not as prominent.

Other things like OBE are different. It turns out to be a natural, physiological phenomenon that anybody can experience, either with practice or in a lab that is equipped with a transcranial stimulation rig.

2) I've never seen or read about a "medium" or profesional "psychic" do anything convincing. Nobody cranks out tomorrows winning lotto jackpot numbers beyond chance. Nobody locates hidden treasure beyond chance or beyond a reasonable guess somebody would make if they are familiar with the case.

Not even Houdini's mediums were able to give the secret message hidden in the sealed envelope. ( Houdini was a believer. He wanted to prove it. this was intended to be proof of communication from the dead. )

 I think some of the mediums are experiencing migraine auras. They saw orbs and ghosts (hallucinations) and fooled themselves into believing they had "the Power." They're self-deluded, but they don't intend to trick people.

The rest of the mediums are simply frauds and vultures (eg Lasha from the Heather Wad train wreck). Their MO is cold reading and doing background checks on their clients when they make an appointment and before they show up.

are you familiar with the Leslie Flint Recordings? most all the recordings are on youtube, rudolph valentino, houdini, many more

https://www.leslieflint.com/recordings-archive



Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Fast and Bulbous on September 01, 2018, 07:00:34 AM
are you familiar with the Leslie Flint Recordings? most all the recordings are on youtube, rudolph valentino, houdini, many more

https://www.leslieflint.com/recordings-archive
No, but I'll read about her. Thanks.
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on September 01, 2018, 07:01:48 AM
No, but I'll read about her. Thanks.

he was a great physical medium.. here is charlotte bronte speaking from the afterlife for example..there are many
more



Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Fast and Bulbous on September 03, 2018, 04:06:51 AM
It's interesting stuff, and he's good at it.

What i'm looking for is concrete proof, hard data that could be used as scientific evidence of communication with the dead: a medium who can give the contents of a secret sealed envelope known only to the deceased, the location of a hidden object only the deceased would know. Those are just a couple of examples of what it would take for something to count as hard evidence. .

For example, anybody who tries to talk to the ghost of Art Bell would have to give the audience information that only Art would have known, and that information would have to be verified.

Furthermore, the medium would have to be able to do it over and over with different ghosts. That's needed to show that it is repeateable. Other mediums would have to be able to do it too.

I believe we're capable of having paranormal experiences. I think some mediums do at times make some kind of contact with the dead.

I think some people have real, paranormal experiencees other than mediumship. But it's never convincing enough or reliably repeated to be taken as proof.

I don't know if you're familiar with Robert Monroe, but he set up a lab to study OBEs. He was able to train the general public to have OBEs. Another of his goals was to provide objective proof that the experience was real.  AFAIK, sometimes he documented some evidence to support it, but there were problems with repeatability. Another problem his lab had was reading secret numbers, words, and cards from the OBE state.. He'd go OBE, read the numbers or secret words, but when he woke up and checked them, they had somehow been scrambled. They were always wrong.

The same is true for some of my own experiences--I think some are genuinely paranormal. The problem is that I can't prove it.  My OBE where I saw the old lady and the freak poodle with a mohawk is an example.  I can't repeate teh experiences over and over and on demand. It happens once, then I fail ten  more times, then it happens again. Many university parapsychology studies suffer from the same problem.

I'm looking for objective data. That doesn't mean the experiences aren't real. I think they need to be studied, and better ways need to be worked out to study them.

he was a great physical medium.. here is charlotte bronte speaking from the afterlife for example..there are many
more

Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Whistler on September 03, 2018, 04:21:20 AM
Weird shit that I've seen since I was a kid, that most people would make fun of me for talking about.
I didn't take the normal path of clamming up because of the ridicule, I reveled in it.
Know why ?
Because I realized early on that everyone that ridiculed me was operating out of fear.
They couldn't deal with their reality  being jeopardized. This was actually worse than death to them. WTF ?????????
Yeah, about 10% (that's being gracious) of the population can actually handle new concepts - that's it.
If TV was invented ten years earlier, Hitler and his minions would be ruling the entire world right now, (although Hitler died in the early 90's in Argentina.)

Don't believe me ? I really don't give a shit. Get off your lazy fucking ass, do some research, and prove me wrong.   :P       ;)
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Whistler on September 03, 2018, 04:31:41 AM
Three things.

1)  I was just a kid when this went down.  Coolest Alien sighting ever
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2) My folks had a UFO sighting before I was born.   It apparently pissed the Air Force off because they saw a couple of
    F 106's out of Selfridge AFB go up after it.  The jets broke the sound barrier over town so it there must have been
    *something* there

3) In Search Of!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Probably one of the most influential programs I ever saw.  Leonard Nimoy - "Spock" doing paranormal - HELL YEAH !    ;)
InSearchOf...  I watched it religiously, and I was only a kid. (Knock down drag out fights - when mom and dad were in the other room -  with my brothers. I.S.O. was what was on, and I usually won the the fight for the channel - big zenith console where it took some force to change the channel dial - and I was damned determined to watch it. ;)  )
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Fast and Bulbous on September 03, 2018, 04:42:11 AM
Weird shit that I've seen since I was a kid, that most people would make fun of me for talking about.
I didn't take the normal path of clamming up because of the ridicule, I reveled in it.
Know why ?
Because I realized early on that everyone that ridiculed me was operating out of fear.
They couldn't deal with their reality  being jeopardized. This was actually worse than death to them. WTF ?????????
Yeah, about 10% (that's being gracious) of the population can actually handle new concepts - that's it.
If TV was invented ten years earlier, Hitler and his minions would be ruling the entire world right now, (although Hitler died in the early 90's in Argentina.)

Don't believe me ? I really don't give a shit. Get off your lazy fucking ass, do some research, and prove me wrong.   :P       ;)
you had paranormal experiences--you saw them, thought about them, and found them convincing enough to know they were real.

Proving it to others is the hard part. It’s like proving the color blue looks the same to you as it does to other people. I dont mean in terms of being color blind but in terms of what you consciously see.

I agree most people resist new ideas. A lot of people will contradict you just because they're dickheads. Other people think you re  trying to trick them.
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on September 03, 2018, 08:18:54 AM
It's interesting stuff, and he's good at it.

What i'm looking for is concrete proof, hard data that could be used as scientific evidence of communication with the dead: a medium who can give the contents of a secret sealed envelope known only to the deceased, the location of a hidden object only the deceased would know. Those are just a couple of examples of what it would take for something to count as hard evidence. .

For example, anybody who tries to talk to the ghost of Art Bell would have to give the audience information that only Art would have known, and that information would have to be verified.

Furthermore, the medium would have to be able to do it over and over with different ghosts. That's needed to show that it is repeateable. Other mediums would have to be able to do it too.

I believe we're capable of having paranormal experiences. I think some mediums do at times make some kind of contact with the dead.

I think some people have real, paranormal experiencees other than mediumship. But it's never convincing enough or reliably repeated to be taken as proof.

I don't know if you're familiar with Robert Monroe, but he set up a lab to study OBEs. He was able to train the general public to have OBEs. Another of his goals was to provide objective proof that the experience was real.  AFAIK, sometimes he documented some evidence to support it, but there were problems with repeatability. Another problem his lab had was reading secret numbers, words, and cards from the OBE state.. He'd go OBE, read the numbers or secret words, but when he woke up and checked them, they had somehow been scrambled. They were always wrong.

The same is true for some of my own experiences--I think some are genuinely paranormal. The problem is that I can't prove it.  My OBE where I saw the old lady and the freak poodle with a mohawk is an example.  I can't repeate teh experiences over and over and on demand. It happens once, then I fail ten  more times, then it happens again. Many university parapsychology studies suffer from the same problem.

I'm looking for objective data. That doesn't mean the experiences aren't real. I think they need to be studied, and better ways need to be worked out to study them.

these people are talking from the afterlife... those are their voices...Leslie Flint was thoroughly investigated and no one (not even scientists) found any fraud...

Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Fast and Bulbous on September 03, 2018, 09:48:16 AM
these people are talking from the afterlife... those are their voices...Leslie Flint was thoroughly investigated and no one (not even scientists) found any fraud...

I'm going to ask the kind of question Art Bell might have asked on his show. Say I believe Flint, but I have an audience who wants proof. I'm not saying he's not what he claims to be. I would ask this for the benefit of the audience.    if you were a physical medium like Flint, and you knew beyond all doubt that you were communicating with the dead, how would you prove it to other people ?
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on September 03, 2018, 02:28:31 PM
I'm going to ask the kind of question Art Bell might have asked on his show. Say I believe Flint, but I have an audience who wants proof. I'm not saying he's not what he claims to be. I would ask this for the benefit of the audience.    if you were a physical medium like Flint, and you knew beyond all doubt that you were communicating with the dead, how would you prove it to other people ?

i guess you can't...but I feel this is good enough documentation to listen to and keep an open mind.. That's the best we can do unless it personally happens to us (which has happened to me) but I don't expect anyone (even people who know me well) to just believe me...In most cases, we are stuck with just keeping an open mind and take into serious consideration what we may find to be convincing enough for us to do so...you are asking for alot. have you ever communicated with a person in the afterlife?
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Bluejay on September 03, 2018, 02:49:45 PM
Halloween got me into the paranormal, since I was a little kid.
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Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on September 03, 2018, 02:50:34 PM
Halloween got me into the paranormal, since I was a little kid.
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LOL  funny   :)
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: ShayP on September 03, 2018, 03:19:17 PM
Dreams, Sci-Fi shows, Legends, Seeing my dead Aunt months after she died, Having the sense that something else is 'out there', and pretty much questioning everything.   ;)
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Fast and Bulbous on September 03, 2018, 03:49:14 PM
i guess you can't...but I feel this is good enough documentation to listen to and keep an open mind.. That's the best we can do unless it personally happens to us (which has happened to me) but I don't expect anyone (even people who know me well) to just believe me...In most cases, we are stuck with just keeping an open mind and take into serious consideration what we may find to be convincing enough for us to do so...you are asking for alot. have you ever communicated with a person in the afterlife?
I agree with you.

It's a lot easier to prove to yourself that something you experienced is real than it is to prove it to others.

I spent a lot of time trying to prove to myself that some of the things I was experiencing were real.  The fact that i  get migraines confounds it. That's why I wrote about migraines.

The migraine aura can lok like a paranormal experience.  If I rule out everything that could be a migraine aura, what is left could be paranormal.

On communicating with the dead, mediums in western countries and shamans in traditional cultures try to do this. I believe some are able to.

I believe that the dead communicate with me sometimes.The problem is proving it. I'll give an example. I had an aquantance a couple years ago. His name was François. François was 36, atheletic, and in good health. I knew him through friends, and we had played Dungeons and Dragons a couple of times.

One night, I do an OBE. I'm wandering around the neighborhood we lived in. It's late at night, and there aren't many people out.  Most of the houses are dark. The people are asleep.

Here and there is a dreamer sleepwalking in their litle dream world. They don't see me. Sometimes, a revenant goes skulking by in the shadows. Figments of dreams and thought-forms pop up and then fade away.

I'm getting bored. Suddenly, François shows up. 

He looks well.He seems like he's in a good mood. I'm glad to see that because his girlfriend was being abusive to him last time I saw him..

"Hello," I say.

He looks at me and says, "Hello Fast n Bulbous.How's it going?"

I go, "So so... Can you really see me? Most people here can't. They're just dreaming. But you look like you're alert."

François has this sheepish look on his face. "Yeah. I can see you. I'm really here and awake."

François isn't the kind of guy who gives the impression that he can do OBEs. He"s more of a hands-on and practical person. He isn't given to flights of fancy nor has an interest in the paranormal.

I ask him how he is able to be here. He beats around the bush and won't give me a straight answer. "Come on, what's going on with you? I can't maintain this state, and I'm about to wake up. Just tell me," I said.

By now, I'm feeling the body gravity trying hard to suck me back into my body. I hang on tight, trying to stay here. If there were a "silver cord," I would have cut it. After some time, he finally says it-- "I'm dead."

BEfore I can ask question him, or make a Dungeons and Dragons joke about going to find a Cleric who can cast a REsurrection Spell on him, i wake up. I turned on the light and wrote the experience in a notebook as soon as I woke up.

Two days later, I was told that he had died the night I saw him. That's happened with people and pets I cared about like cats and dogs.

To me, it's evidence of communication with the dead. I put it in my notebook when I had the OBE. It's never been wrong. It's happened enough times that I rule out chance or "synchronicity." It can only count if it happens the day they die and before I hear about it in waking life . Unfortunately, it's not enough to prove it to other people.

I get similar experiences in a trance state that is not OBE, but it's not people I know.

I don't think it has anything to do with migraines. It's not a migraine aura. I didn't have a migraine that day.

It would change the world if there were a reliable way to communicate with the dead. So far, all anybody can do is prove it to themselves.
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on September 03, 2018, 04:30:02 PM
I agree with you.

It's a lot easier to prove to yourself that something you experienced is real than it is to prove it to others.

I spent a lot of time trying to prove to myself that some of the things I was experiencing were real.  The fact that i  get migraines confounds it. That's why I wrote about migraines.

The migraine aura can lok like a paranormal experience.  If I rule out everything that could be a migraine aura, what is left could be paranormal.

On communicating with the dead, mediums in western countries and shamans in traditional cultures try to do this. I believe some are able to.

I believe that the dead communicate with me sometimes.The problem is proving it. I'll give an example. I had an aquantance a couple years ago. His name was François. François was 36, atheletic, and in good health. I knew him through friends, and we had played Dungeons and Dragons a couple of times.

One night, I do an OBE. I'm wandering around the neighborhood we lived in. It's late at night, and there aren't many people out.  Most of the houses are dark. The people are asleep.

Here and there is a dreamer sleepwalking in their litle dream world. They don't see me. Sometimes, a revenant goes skulking by in the shadows. Figments of dreams and thought-forms pop up and then fade away.

I'm getting bored. Suddenly, François shows up. 

He looks well.He seems like he's in a good mood. I'm glad to see that because his girlfriend was being abusive to him last time I saw him..

"Hello," I say.

He looks at me and says, "Hello Fast n Bulbous.How's it going?"

I go, "So so... Can you really see me? Most people here can't. They're just dreaming. But you look like you're alert."

François has this sheepish look on his face. "Yeah. I can see you. I'm really here and awake."

François isn't the kind of guy who gives the impression that he can do OBEs. He"s more of a hands-on and practical person. He isn't given to flights of fancy nor has an interest in the paranormal.

I ask him how he is able to be here. He beats around the bush and won't give me a straight answer. "Come on, what's going on with you? I can't maintain this state, and I'm about to wake up. Just tell me," I said.

By now, I'm feeling the body gravity trying hard to suck me back into my body. I hang on tight, trying to stay here. If there were a "silver cord," I would have cut it. After some time, he finally says it-- "I'm dead."

BEfore I can ask question him, or make a Dungeons and Dragons joke about going to find a Cleric who can cast a REsurrection Spell on him, i wake up. I turned on the light and wrote the experience in a notebook as soon as I woke up.

Two days later, I was told that he had died the night I saw him. That's happened with people and pets I cared about like cats and dogs.

To me, it's evidence of communication with the dead. I put it in my notebook when I had the OBE. It's never been wrong. It's happened enough times that I rule out chance or "synchronicity." It can only count if it happens the day they die and before I hear about it in waking life . Unfortunately, it's not enough to prove it to other people.

I get similar experiences in a trance state that is not OBE, but it's not people I know.

I don't think it has anything to do with migraines. It's not a migraine aura. I didn't have a migraine that day.

It would change the world if there were a reliable way to communicate with the dead. So far, all anybody can do is prove it to themselves.

well, i have told some other people about my one experience and not sure if they believe me or not..They know I don't make up stories or have delusions but whether they totally believe me, i don't think so...I am convinced what happened to me was absolutely real but I have given up and, at this point, I don't care whether anyone else believes it... that is not the point of my experience. .the point is I know it was real.. thanks so much. love your thoughts and expressions and hearing about your experiences..
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Bart Ell on September 03, 2018, 04:50:14 PM
Leslie Flint was thoroughly investigated and no one (not even scientists) found any fraud...

I am not sure what scientists would test for but everything I read about him made him out to be a total fraud.
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: LawnBoy on September 03, 2018, 08:16:33 PM
The plethora of great TV shows in the 60's turned me on to the paranormal.

It all began with the most thought provoking, ahead of it's time, modern day Aesop's Fables, The Twilight Zone. There was One Step Beyond, The Outer Limits, The Invaders, Science Fiction Theatre and other good shows. What was great about those shows was there was no thought police or gag lines (maybe one or two TWLZ episodes) to steer you to a conclusion. Just pure sci-fi that made you have to think and figure it out. These shows were great for people like us who want to know what our purpose is, what's next, what is on the other side, what's out there.......

Today's youth has become so dumbed down in that regard that those types of shows would not work today. If there's no carnage, racial and sexual innuendo or bombs exploding everywhere, our attention wains. It's a shame because I would suspect that many of us grew up watching these great shows and got the paranormal bug as a result  The presentations were dated and corny, but they opened our collective minds.
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Fast and Bulbous on September 04, 2018, 05:49:14 AM
I am not sure what scientists would test for but everything I read about him made him out to be a total fraud.
Testing claims of mediumship usually don't lead anywhere. It's just as hard to disprove a claim as it is to prove it.

In the early 1900s, this wasn't the case. Debunkers would secretly bring in flash cameras to sceances where mediums were performing.. When an apparition appeared, the debunker would take a photo, and the flash would show beyond the doubt that the apparation was the medium's accomplace wearing a whtie sheet or something.

Nowadays, fake mediums are more careful. It's a lot harder to catch them. 

Parapsychology labs have used infrared cameras and other instruments that can detect eletromagnetic radiation, but nothing convincing ever shows up.

Maybe other types of devices are needed- something to measure minute changes in the density of the air, or some future technology that can measure yet undetected partiles of exotic matter. 

The fact that it hasn't been proved doesn't mean there isn't something going on. Ball lightning was long thought to be a myth. Today, it is poorly understood, but it's real.

If a paranormal event is observed by others, it still remains to explain HOW it happened. For example, if a medium tells an invesigator the contents of a sealed enveloppe known only to the dead man who wrote the note, what does it prove? Life after death, or maybe the medium is actually a clairvoyant.  Or maybe he used telepathy to go back in time to when the dead man was still living and read his mind.
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Fast and Bulbous on September 04, 2018, 05:55:02 AM
well, i have told some other people about my one experience and not sure if they believe me or not..They know I don't make up stories or have delusions but whether they totally believe me, i don't think so...I am convinced what happened to me was absolutely real but I have given up and, at this point, I don't care whether anyone else believes it... that is not the point of my experience. .the point is I know it was real.. thanks so much. love your thoughts and expressions and hearing about your experiences..
I'm glad you liked it.  Care to share your experience?
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on September 04, 2018, 07:41:30 AM
I am not sure what scientists would test for but everything I read about him made him out to be a total fraud.

oh, really?  i've read he was thoroughly investigated. :o. idk.. i'll look further.. thanks   :o

Praise BE

a sample of what i have found..
Leslie Flint was tested by many scientists. Experiments would see him tied to a chair, gagged and holding a mouthful of coloured water, which he had to empty into a glass at the end of the test to prove that he was not a ventriloquist. A Dr Louis Young invented most of these tests and, along with members of the Society for Psychical Research, carried out further tests in infra-red light with a microphone attached to Leslie’s throat. Still the voices were recorded.

During the course of many years and many investigations, no one ever accused Leslie Flint of being a trickster or fake and his gift became known all over the world. People who had lost a loved one would come from far and wide in the hope of hearing the voices of their nearest and dearest speak directly to them from beyond the grave. So many people, as it happened, that Leslie had to hold group sessions to accommodate the demand for sittings.. idk..  :o
http://psychictruth.info/Medium_Leslie_Flint.htm
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on September 04, 2018, 07:46:58 AM
I'm glad you liked it.  Care to share your experience?


yes, i have before on here but i will again soon.. i just need some more coffee now.. lol 

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Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on September 04, 2018, 09:46:25 AM
I'm glad you liked it.  Care to share your experience?

 I did finally reach my mother and heard her voice through psychic Chris Fleming, whom Dave Shraeder knows and is friends with (through a spirit box with her voice coming through clear over the phone)...
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Fast and Bulbous on September 04, 2018, 10:15:38 AM
I did finally reach my mother and heard her voice through psychic Chris Fleming, whom Dave Shraeder knows and is friends with (through a spirit box with her voice coming through clear over the phone)...
I think spirit boxes are relatively new. Im not familiar with them. How do they work? Are they some kind of audio amplifier that picks up extremely weak sounds and feeds the sound signal into some kind of audio processing algorithme or circuit ?

 I ve never seen one and none of the mediums and trance channelers I knew from childhood were using them. How much is the medium doing? Does he somehow direct or lead the session ?  Or does it just go on its own?
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on September 04, 2018, 10:26:28 AM
I think spirit boxes are relatively new. Im not familiar with them. How do they work? Are they some kind of audio amplifier that picks up extremely weak sounds and feeds the sound signal into some kind of audio processing algorithme or circuit ?

 I ve never seen one and none of the mediums and trance channelers I knew from childhood were using them. How much is the medium doing? Does he somehow direct or lead the session ?  Or does it just go on its own?

Spirit Boxes pick up voices through radio signal white noise.. like real time evp's..The medium (Chris Fleming) was giving me a reading over the phone to get in touch with my deceased loved ones.. He decided use the spirit box..He told me he was hearing from my family members but I could not hear them over the phone and was getting very upset which is when my mother's voice (clear as a bell) came over the phone and said "I'm here".. She has been "deceased" for many years.. I was  in such a state of shock, i could not say anything back and could not even process it for a long time..There is no doubt it was her voice and I have no doubt what happened.. I contacted Chris Fleming later and he told me that was her message to me when i asked him if i should have another session with him.. He is very honest and not after money..like i said, it is hard for me to believe that this could happen (though it surely did) so i don't expect people to accept it on my word.
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on September 04, 2018, 10:42:31 AM
Here is Chris Fleming's podcast.. he hasn't done a new one since last December.. not sure why..but there are plenty of great shows on here for a few years
http://spirittalk.planetparanormal.com/
Title: Re: What got you "into" the paranormal?
Post by: Metron on September 23, 2018, 09:28:59 AM
I did finally reach my mother and heard her voice through psychic Chris Fleming, whom Dave Shraeder knows and is friends with (through a spirit box with her voice coming through clear over the phone)...

This kind of communication IS real.

A year after a family member passed I woke up in the middle of the night bolt upright after I heard their voice call to me through the ether in a very crackling radio transmission manner.

No dream this, not even close. :o