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Re: MUFON is mufucked
« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2019, 04:59:14 PM »
You cannot get security clearances for personnel unless you have a government contract
Those kinds of security clearances, sure. But what about the others - the important ones?
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Re: MUFON is mufucked
« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2019, 07:27:10 PM »
You cannot get security clearances for personnel unless you have a government contract that has the clauses in it stating which level of clearance is required and which labor category will require access. Even if a company gets a facility clearance to store classified like Bigelow did, it doesn’t mean everyone in the company can get a security clearance.

And if there were any contract between MUFON and the Federal Government, it would be all public record including the bidding process and the award and such, correct?

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Re: MUFON is mufucked
« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2019, 07:52:39 PM »
And if there were any contract between MUFON and the Federal Government, it would be all public record including the bidding process and the award and such, correct?

Correct. You would be able to find out everything about the bidding and contract process here.

http://cbd-net.com
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« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2019, 08:08:58 PM »
Correct. You would be able to find out everything about the bidding and contract process here.

http://cbd-net.com

I thought there was quite a bit of controversy when Trump (or his people) were taking away clearances from former officials. Often ones that went into private contracting companies, law or lobby firms, or as news experts? So, apparently, one in a private capacity can still have some level of clearance- albeit justified for possible later "help" in situations in which the person was familiar or transitions between agencies/departments and the usual "public-private-political-non-political" merry-go-round of Inside the Beltway careers. And, supposedly, not to be used for access or personal/private-company game. But, really access is a form of currency. You can even get various level security clearances if you have dual-citizenship which, I seem to recall at some point, the US didn't, at least officially, recognize.

Now, I'm not saying that simply the "cheapest bid" should always win. But I doubt, at least in some cases, the bidding process is an open and above-board as some would claim. There are still a lot of budgets that are "questionable" and contracts that don't see the light of day, at least to the voters. And, of course, there are almost over cost-over runs and "unexpected" problems that could also be funneled away. 

https://www.nextgov.com/it-modernization/2018/03/t-won-secret-33-billion-nsa-contract-despite-more-expensive-bid/146853/ 

Yeah, they still got a  big government contract: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/equifax-hack-hits-credit-histories-of-up-to-143-million-americans/2017/09/07/a4ae6f82-941a-11e7-b9bc-b2f7903bab0d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1099ddf408b0 

https://money.cnn.com/2017/10/03/news/india/equifax-irs-contract/index.html

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Re: MUFON is mufucked
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2019, 08:29:27 PM »
I thought there was quite a bit of controversy when Trump (or his people) were taking away clearances from former officials. Often ones that went into private contracting companies, law or lobby firms, or as news experts? So, apparently, one in a private capacity can still have some level of clearance- albeit justified for possible later "help" in situations in which the person was familiar or transitions between agencies/departments and the usual "public-private-political-non-political" merry-go-round of Inside the Beltway careers. And, supposedly, not to be used for access or personal/private-company game. But, really access is a form of currency. You can even get various level security clearances if you have dual-citizenship which, I seem to recall at some point, the US didn't, at least officially, recognize.

Now, I'm not saying that simply the "cheapest bid" should always win. But I doubt, at least in some cases, the bidding process is an open and above-board as some would claim. There are still a lot of budgets that are "questionable" and contracts that don't see the light of day, at least to the voters. And, of course, there are almost over cost-over runs and "unexpected" problems that could also be funneled away. 

https://www.nextgov.com/it-modernization/2018/03/t-won-secret-33-billion-nsa-contract-despite-more-expensive-bid/146853/ 

Yeah, they still got a  big government contract: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/equifax-hack-hits-credit-histories-of-up-to-143-million-americans/2017/09/07/a4ae6f82-941a-11e7-b9bc-b2f7903bab0d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1099ddf408b0 

https://money.cnn.com/2017/10/03/news/india/equifax-irs-contract/index.html

There are special conditions where you can keep your clearance after leaving government employment but none that I am aware of where a private citizen can get a clearance just in case they might need them.

And just because someone keeps there clearance, say someone like Clapper with a TS/SCI, doesn’t mean they can go look at someone’s SCI material. There is still a need to know provision.

The highest codeword materials are strictly compartmentalized.

I had a TS/SCI clearance up until 1982 and worked at HQ/SAC. I was flabbergasted when they disclosed the stealth fighter and said it first flew in 1981.  I knew absolutely nothing about the R&D effort.
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Re: MUFON is mufucked
« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2019, 08:47:24 PM »
There are special conditions where you can keep your clearance after leaving government employment but none that I am aware of where a private citizen can get a clearance just in case they might need them.

And just because someone keeps there clearance, say someone like Clapper with a TS/SCI, doesn’t mean they can go look at someone’s SCI material. There is still a need to know provision.

The highest codeword materials are strictly compartmentalized.

I had a TS/SCI clearance up until 1982 and worked at HQ/SAC. I was flabbergasted when they disclosed the stealth fighter and said it first flew in 1981.  I knew absolutely nothing about the R&D effort.

One reason, I was against the post 911 changes is that I think we made too many changes and information sharing between agencies (even though, supposedly, still secure) over an awful event but one should make drastic changes to a single event, especially when the "real" threat is not a bunch of 3rd world Muslims (and some with lots of money and 1st world status) but large state actors with long history of infiltration and expertise. Yes, Muslim terrorism is a problem but to change so much based on that versus folks like Russia, China, and others (even some of our "friends.")

There should be sharing but, also, independent methods and operations are needed to cross-verify, develop own sources or ideas, protect civil liberties, protect sources and projects, allow for "plausible deniability," and such. Remember the INSLAW and PROMIS stuff back when? I worry that a lot of the information sharing, out-sourcing, and agency shake-ups, and "cloud" idea have compromised our security.

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Re: MUFON is mufucked
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2019, 12:14:09 PM »
As a follow on to the February 2nd Little Podcast that Did, Guest Erica Lukes has received an exclusive report from Phillip Leech on his attempt to reconcile and address the serious issues at MUFON. The results didn't yield much of any substantial planned action and is mostly political eyewash and window dressing.

https://www.ufoclassified.com/news


The Little Podcast that Did February 2, 2019, if you have yet to hear it. Erica starts about half an hour into the program, discussing her own experiences, The Skinwalker ranch, and her issues with MUFON. Highly recommended!
https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZaTxK7ZDR3FXj1Ez94aoo1ztAcQwyFIVwk7

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Re: MUFON is mufucked
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2019, 02:33:53 PM »
As a follow on to the February 2nd Little Podcast that Did, Guest Erica Lukes has received an exclusive report from Phillip Leech on his attempt to reconcile and address the serious issues at MUFON. The results didn't yield much of any substantial planned action and is mostly political eyewash and window dressing.

https://www.ufoclassified.com/news


The Little Podcast that Did February 2, 2019, if you have yet to hear it. Erica starts about half an hour into the program, discussing her own experiences, The Skinwalker ranch, and her issues with MUFON. Highly recommended!
https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZaTxK7ZDR3FXj1Ez94aoo1ztAcQwyFIVwk7

No joke, it's the best podcast they've done yet. Just made me go , "Yay Peter Davenport!" NUFORC rocks. Tnx for the url.