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Have Culture, Entertainment Declined?
« on: February 15, 2019, 07:43:04 PM »
I was a youth in the '80s and the '90s. Those decades seem like the Golden Age compared to the past two decades. In fact, they feel like Paradise Lost when I look at this contemporary "Idiocracy" Inferno. Am I alone in this?

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Re: Have Culture, Entertainment Declined?
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2019, 09:53:32 PM »
I was a youth in the '80s and the '90s. Those decades seem like the Golden Age compared to the past two decades. In fact, they feel like Paradise Lost when I look at this contemporary "Idiocracy" Inferno. Am I alone in this?
You are not alone.  I see you woke up.  After years of dealing with those who came behind us to populate our society, I have only come to a few conclusions:

ALWAYS GET THEIR NAME AND LOCATION.

1.  If you take it out on them verbally, then you're finished.  Don't waste any more time on it.
2.  Never, ever hesitate to ask for a supervisor if you've got the time.  It will save you hours of otherwise frustration.  The supervisor will usually be reasonable.
3.  If you take it out on their receipt's online survey, you're finished.  Waste not another moment of energy on them.
4.  Remember, if you have their name, you can always complain later on the phone in your pajammies or whatever.  So, try to get through the moment & get your needs met.
5.  Whoever loses control loses the game.   Don't let them alienate or mob you, so stay calm and take it up with a supervisor.  In today's economy, there are few supervisors and even fewer employees.  When the boss isn't looking, employees can basically do whatever they want if they meet their stats and obey the law.  So, two selfish, rude employees theoretically can treat you anyway they want if they don't get caught.  And once in a while, they do.  The best way to prevent such mistreatment is to keep your side of the street clean by not interrupting, not being hostile and keeping your body language neutral or positive.
6.  These people play hardball.  Keep your side of the street clean, have your facts completely ready and half memorized, anticipate their objections before you confront them, and re-state yourself calmly without interrupting them.  Take the extra time to start at step 1 for these imbeciles, as they have no common sense.  Preface what you say with a cordial statement and finish anything they might perceive as edgy with an up-swing in your voice to a sincerely pleasant comment.  GIVE THEM NO REASON TO SHAFT YOU.  GIVE THEM NOTHING, NO AMMO TO USE AGAINST YOU. 
7.  If things go south but are salvageable then try to go at it with a supervisor.
8.  If things are not salvageable, at least purchase something so you get the online survey or the cashier's employee number on the receipt.
9.  Remember there are other competitors or you can go online.
10.  Sometimes it's worth commuting further to a branch that is more reasonable in general.
11.  Always leave on a positive note if you can - if the tide is against you, do complain to a manager.  But try hard to leave graciously.  Don't give them a reason to be rude to you.  Don't make it easy for them to mistreat you.
12.  Legal or not, you can record interractions from your cell, for personal use to see where things went wrong, or for other reasons.  Some businesses have signs that say "no recording or filming" but most don't.  Each state has different laws, but in my state all you have to do is tell the person you are recording.  You don't ask.  You tell.  It's on them; if they don't want to be recorded, they don't have to talk.
13.  If you have a really strong case, you can call the police on the spot.  I don't know the history behind it, but I once saw an officer tell a restaurant manager to put more prawns in a customer's soup even though the customer had left the premise with the soup and gone to his car.  He seemed like a good customer, pretty normal loooking.  The thing is, future retaliation could be very subtle so all the more reason to retain composure, be polite but firm, and try to keep rapport going.
14.  Sometimes they really are just "snowflakes", people raised all wrong, given praise for every little thing they did as a child, but not given the experiences that develop empathy.

You and I were raised when people still remembered the days when a parent was home.  Many parents WERE home.  My mom only worked a little outside them home.  None of our friends' wives worked outside the home.  The divorce rate was low; divorce was still considered sinful (although religion has always granted divorce in cases of emotional, sexual or financial abandonment).

Compare that to nowadays when little tiny children start day care at less than a year old.  Every day care I've heard of in the last couple years has a multitude of problems.  Saddest of all, to me, is how little tiny children have to get up at 5 or 6AM in order to be at daycare before their parent's workshift starts, even though school doesn't actually start until 8 or 9AM, so the child should be able to sleep 8 hours.  Add to that how the divorce rate has skyrocketed, single parenthood is common, and many working people do their errands after work -- which means the little child that got up at 6AM to get to daycare before preschool or elementary school also is at Walmart until 9PM at night or later sometimes, depending on car repairs, urgent care visits, etc...  When I see fatigue lines on the faces of children ages 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, etc... it just breaks my heart.  I just hate their parents' situations.  Add to that how more people are moving / crossing state lines looking for work, how more workers are required to work 12-24-hour shifts or to travel for work, etc...  Office workers are being recruited to lift 50lbs routinely, administrative assistants are expected to also wear the hats of tech support and payroll, everyone has vacation/personal time but no one can use it, and so on. This is the world they younger people grew up in.  They have no patience.  No one had any patience for them.  What our society did to the children of the millineum and beyond was wrong.  It was no way to raise people.

When we are old, the people who will feed us, sponge bath us, turn us in bed, etc...  as a group are not very nice people.  Everyone, please pray that God will find solutions.  As it stands, I saw my country turn into Mexico around the millineum and I now see my country's workforce being turned into China.  I don't see anything to stop employers from disregarding the 40-hour work week as well as all the other stabilizing benefits that people in the U.S. Labor Movement fought & died for.

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Re: Have Culture, Entertainment Declined?
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2019, 01:46:19 AM »
I was a youth in the '80s and the '90s. Those decades seem like the Golden Age compared to the past two decades. In fact, they feel like Paradise Lost when I look at this contemporary "Idiocracy" Inferno. Am I alone in this?

No, bro.  You are not alone.  The 80' man, why did they have to end?

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Re: Have Culture, Entertainment Declined?
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2019, 01:47:01 AM »
You are not alone.  I see you woke up.  After years of dealing with those who came behind us to populate our society, I have only come to a few conclusions:

ALWAYS GET THEIR NAME AND LOCATION.

1.  If you take it out on them verbally, then you're finished.  Don't waste any more time on it.
2.  Never, ever hesitate to ask for a supervisor if you've got the time.  It will save you hours of otherwise frustration.  The supervisor will usually be reasonable.
3.  If you take it out on their receipt's online survey, you're finished.  Waste not another moment of energy on them.
4.  Remember, if you have their name, you can always complain later on the phone in your pajammies or whatever.  So, try to get through the moment & get your needs met.
5.  Whoever loses control loses the game.   Don't let them alienate or mob you, so stay calm and take it up with a supervisor.  In today's economy, there are few supervisors and even fewer employees.  When the boss isn't looking, employees can basically do whatever they want if they meet their stats and obey the law.  So, two selfish, rude employees theoretically can treat you anyway they want if they don't get caught.  And once in a while, they do.  The best way to prevent such mistreatment is to keep your side of the street clean by not interrupting, not being hostile and keeping your body language neutral or positive.
6.  These people play hardball.  Keep your side of the street clean, have your facts completely ready and half memorized, anticipate their objections before you confront them, and re-state yourself calmly without interrupting them.  Take the extra time to start at step 1 for these imbeciles, as they have no common sense.  Preface what you say with a cordial statement and finish anything they might perceive as edgy with an up-swing in your voice to a sincerely pleasant comment.  GIVE THEM NO REASON TO SHAFT YOU.  GIVE THEM NOTHING, NO AMMO TO USE AGAINST YOU. 
7.  If things go south but are salvageable then try to go at it with a supervisor.
8.  If things are not salvageable, at least purchase something so you get the online survey or the cashier's employee number on the receipt.
9.  Remember there are other competitors or you can go online.
10.  Sometimes it's worth commuting further to a branch that is more reasonable in general.
11.  Always leave on a positive note if you can - if the tide is against you, do complain to a manager.  But try hard to leave graciously.  Don't give them a reason to be rude to you.  Don't make it easy for them to mistreat you.
12.  Legal or not, you can record interractions from your cell, for personal use to see where things went wrong, or for other reasons.  Some businesses have signs that say "no recording or filming" but most don't.  Each state has different laws, but in my state all you have to do is tell the person you are recording.  You don't ask.  You tell.  It's on them; if they don't want to be recorded, they don't have to talk.
13.  If you have a really strong case, you can call the police on the spot.  I don't know the history behind it, but I once saw an officer tell a restaurant manager to put more prawns in a customer's soup even though the customer had left the premise with the soup and gone to his car.  He seemed like a good customer, pretty normal loooking.  The thing is, future retaliation could be very subtle so all the more reason to retain composure, be polite but firm, and try to keep rapport going.
14.  Sometimes they really are just "snowflakes", people raised all wrong, given praise for every little thing they did as a child, but not given the experiences that develop empathy.

You and I were raised when people still remembered the days when a parent was home.  Many parents WERE home.  My mom only worked a little outside them home.  None of our friends' wives worked outside the home.  The divorce rate was low; divorce was still considered sinful (although religion has always granted divorce in cases of emotional, sexual or financial abandonment).

Compare that to nowadays when little tiny children start day care at less than a year old.  Every day care I've heard of in the last couple years has a multitude of problems.  Saddest of all, to me, is how little tiny children have to get up at 5 or 6AM in order to be at daycare before their parent's workshift starts, even though school doesn't actually start until 8 or 9AM, so the child should be able to sleep 8 hours.  Add to that how the divorce rate has skyrocketed, single parenthood is common, and many working people do their errands after work -- which means the little child that got up at 6AM to get to daycare before preschool or elementary school also is at Walmart until 9PM at night or later sometimes, depending on car repairs, urgent care visits, etc...  When I see fatigue lines on the faces of children ages 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, etc... it just breaks my heart.  I just hate their parents' situations.  Add to that how more people are moving / crossing state lines looking for work, how more workers are required to work 12-24-hour shifts or to travel for work, etc...  Office workers are being recruited to lift 50lbs routinely, administrative assistants are expected to also wear the hats of tech support and payroll, everyone has vacation/personal time but no one can use it, and so on. This is the world they younger people grew up in.  They have no patience.  No one had any patience for them.  What our society did to the children of the millineum and beyond was wrong.  It was no way to raise people.

When we are old, the people who will feed us, sponge bath us, turn us in bed, etc...  as a group are not very nice people.  Everyone, please pray that God will find solutions.  As it stands, I saw my country turn into Mexico around the millineum and I now see my country's workforce being turned into China.  I don't see anything to stop employers from disregarding the 40-hour work week as well as all the other stabilizing benefits that people in the U.S. Labor Movement fought & died for.

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Re: Have Culture, Entertainment Declined?
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2019, 05:06:05 AM »
Folks who seem to know something about it say, particularly with movies, the audiences are larger outside the English speaking world, so films are made to be easily translatable, or need no translation at all - cgi action scenes.

With music, the more electronic and producer created, the fewer musicians have to be paid, fewer union rules, fewer personalities, etc.
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Re: Have Culture, Entertainment Declined?
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2019, 09:42:38 AM »
I was a youth in the '80s and the '90s. Those decades seem like the Golden Age compared to the past two decades. In fact, they feel like Paradise Lost when I look at this contemporary "Idiocracy" Inferno. Am I alone in this?

No, but I'm 2 decades before you and this entire joint feels like a Mexican prison.

 :'(

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Re: Have Culture, Entertainment Declined?
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2019, 10:33:53 AM »
I was a youth in the '80s and the '90s. Those decades seem like the Golden Age compared to the past two decades. In fact, they feel like Paradise Lost when I look at this contemporary "Idiocracy" Inferno. Am I alone in this?
Add me to the list of those agreeing with you. Also from a prior decade or two, so many things that we thought would exist by now are not even on the horizon. For example, back in the 1960's and 1970's, the thinking was by the year 2000 there would be an established base on the moon and by now we would have sent people to Mars. We have not even been back to the moon in 45+ years. Although there have been advances in the medical field and in computer technology (in part fueled by the 1960's and 1970's space program), other areas of technological exploration have fallen flat.

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Re: Have Culture, Entertainment Declined?
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2019, 12:04:46 PM »
As far as music goes it started in the 90's as the arthritic condition known as hip-hop set in to the musical legs. the 90's were almost a direct revolt against the 80's IE Grunge from Seattle. Some of those bands were and are awesome.. Soundgarden to name one. When you take real amps, drums etc out of the mix everybody loses. As far as movies go I think it's even worse.


Did anybody else ever smell their records when you get them home from Sam The Record Man? hehehe  I loved the new vinyl smell :)

So I agree with everybody agreeing to the authors initial post.

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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2019, 12:42:28 PM »
Did anybody else ever smell their records when you get them home from Sam The Record Man? hehehe  I loved the new vinyl smell :)

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Re: Have Culture, Entertainment Declined?
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2019, 04:41:30 PM »
Sofia, your post is huge! I would like to address at least one thing. It's sometimes necessary for both the dad and the mom to work. I was a latchkey kid. My mom entered the workforce when I started kindergarten. Babysitters and neighbors watched me until I was in fifth grade or sixth grade. It was no big deal. This situation was very common for Generation X kids.

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Re: Have Culture, Entertainment Declined?
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2019, 04:43:18 PM »
No, bro.  You are not alone.  The 80' man, why did they have to end?

I blame that darn calendar. There should be some way to reverse it.

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Re: Have Culture, Entertainment Declined?
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2019, 05:07:14 PM »
Folks who seem to know something about it say, particularly with movies, the audiences are larger outside the English speaking world, so films are made to be easily translatable, or need no translation at all - cgi action scenes.

With music, the more electronic and producer created, the fewer musicians have to be paid, fewer union rules, fewer personalities, etc.

It sounds like we can blame the big decline on the bottom line. Some huge movies debut in China now. "Aquaman" was one such film. Frankly, the EU or the UN should impose a limit on superhero movies.

I read that one or two production teams write a big percentage of pop songs now. That's one reason why they all sound alike. One scientific study showed that modern music objectively declined over the past decade. It also found that water was wet.

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Re: Have Culture, Entertainment Declined?
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2019, 05:09:52 PM »
No, but I'm 2 decades before you and this entire joint feels like a Mexican prison.

 :'(

That'll work. I get Montezuma's Revenge when I listen to Ariana Grande.

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Re: Have Culture, Entertainment Declined?
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2019, 05:22:42 PM »
Add me to the list of those agreeing with you. Also from a prior decade or two, so many things that we thought would exist by now are not even on the horizon. For example, back in the 1960's and 1970's, the thinking was by the year 2000 there would be an established base on the moon and by now we would have sent people to Mars. We have not even been back to the moon in 45+ years. Although there have been advances in the medical field and in computer technology (in part fueled by the 1960's and 1970's space program), other areas of technological exploration have fallen flat.

I sometimes think about this very thing. It's like other countries have taken over space exploration. It's as if we've regressed rather than progressed when it comes to missions to Mars and the moon. I'm starting to rethink those Stanley Kubrick conspiracy theories.  ;)

This definitely isn't how I pictured the future. Contemporary life feels like "Idiocracy" mixed with "1984". It's not "The Jetsons". Instead of flying cars and robot maids, we have cell phone addicts and hipsters.

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Re: Have Culture, Entertainment Declined?
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2019, 05:31:41 PM »
As far as music goes it started in the 90's as the arthritic condition known as hip-hop set in to the musical legs. the 90's were almost a direct revolt against the 80's IE Grunge from Seattle. Some of those bands were and are awesome.. Soundgarden to name one. When you take real amps, drums etc out of the mix everybody loses. As far as movies go I think it's even worse.


Did anybody else ever smell their records when you get them home from Sam The Record Man? hehehe  I loved the new vinyl smell :)

So I agree with everybody agreeing to the authors initial post.

I was cool with grunge and rap. My main problem was with grunge fashion because it replaced sexy '80s clothes. The young women dressed like hippies. Now, purple-haired chicks wear their pajamas in grocery stores!