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The Woo => Paranormal - Conspiracy - UFOs - Etc. => Topic started by: Ghost BEP on December 18, 2018, 06:29:31 PM
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Who’s here for the real Art Bell shit? What did you think?
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Who’s here for the real Art Bell shit? What did you think?
Is there a new documentary? If so, anything new?
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Is there a new documentary? If so, anything new?
This guy was on with Knapp recently about some new movie he made about Lazar. He sounded like a tool but friends with Knapp apparently and the movie is out? Or will be soon.
https://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/corbell-jeremy/71151
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This guy was on with Knapp recently about some new movie he made about Lazar. He sounded like a tool but friends with Knapp apparently and the movie is out? Or will be soon.
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The same team who did the Skinwalker Ranch documentary, if you liked that you may well like this. Not seen it yet. It’s wating for a spare couple of hours during the next week or two.
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Why wasn't this on Midnight in the Desert?
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Just watched it last night.
Made me a believer in Bob. Thought it was really well done, a great insight into a guy who I didn't know a whole lot about - at least from his mouth. Guy certainly has had an interesting life, super smart guy. Won't get into any spoilers - but Knapp's introduction gave me goosebumps how it was all put together. Set the mood for sure!
Side note - Bob's "legal" issue sent me for a loop and gave me a giggle, was unaware of that incident.
Thanks to @DaveSchrader for doing the interview with Jeremy Corbell on Darkness Radio. It had me chomping at the bit to watch this thing. Please get that guy on one of your shows again. If you can make it happen with Corbell and Knapp at the same time, good lawd, that would be awesome.
Will watch it again with a few relatives over xmas. After Christmas Story, of course.
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I've had it for four days now! The first five or so minutes annoyed me and the scenes where Knapp is being interviewed by what I assume to be his swimming pool are a little funny because the reverberation is almost hard to look, or hear past. All in all, Bob is one of the most real guests that Art ever had on. I really do believe the guy and I'm not even sure I want to. I saw the original news clip/feed when he was darkened out as "Dennis" and just thought, Wow!! I hope I hear more about this someday. Art brought us many somedays.
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I've had it for four days now! The first five or so minutes annoyed me and the scenes where Knapp is being interviewed by what I assume to be his swimming pool are a little funny because the reverberation is almost hard to look, or hear past. All in all, Bob is one of the most real guests that Art ever had on. I really do believe the guy and I'm not even sure I want to. I saw the original news clip/feed when he was darkened out as "Dennis" and just thought, Wow!! I hope I hear more about this someday. Art brought us many somedays.
The pool scene was the best in his intro...especially underneath the dialog during his greeting...again, not trying to give any spoilers, but damn - Didn't it didn't give you a rush of anxiousness to hear what's to come? Pretty sure I verbally let out a Ric Flair style "Woooo" waking both the ladyfriend and the dog.
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The pool scene was the best in his intro...especially underneath the dialog during his greeting...again, not trying to give any spoilers, but damn - Didn't it didn't give you a rush of anxiousness to hear what's to come? Pretty sure I verbally let out a Ric Flair style "Woooo" waking both the ladyfriend and the dog.
Yes, I did get that "rush" you speak of. Agree on the Ric "Woooo" The biggest part for me is the history of how he has NEVER changed his story/report/account and when you couple that with his mannerisms both in his voice in a c2c interview and his matter of fact way he talks on film you just can't deny the guy with so much salt. Or any salt for that matter
..and isn't a fucking shame that Art didn't live to see it
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Yes, I did get that "rush" you speak of. Agree on the Ric "Woooo" The biggest part for me is the history of how he has NEVER changed his story/report/account and when you couple that with his mannerisms both in his voice in a c2c interview and his matter of fact way he talks on film you just can't deny the guy with so much salt. Or any salt for that matter
..and isn't a fucking shame that Art didn't live to see it
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I'll go a little nerdy here and add that I purchased the "tester model" that Bob talked with Art about in depth. I wish I would have left in in the box but like a fucking idiot I had to assemble the thing and now it's nothing more than a conversation piece in my studio.
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Still, it's pretty rad you have it.
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I watched the documentary the other evening. It's the best thing I've seen for a long time. It filled some holes in his story for me. I, too, got a chuckle from his "legal trouble."
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I'd watch if it was free, wouldn't bother otherwise. Same approach I took with "Grown Ups 2."
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I'd watch if it was free
I'll bet that's the only way you could watch it. I've never met anyone who would admit to watching Grown Ups.. 2??? So you must've loved the first instalment of that riveting franchise.
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I just saw the recently released Lazar documentary, Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers.
Those that are regular listeners to Art Bell and George Knapp on the half-dozen or so shows will find some portions to be a tedious rehash, but with some new information and previously unseen tidbits that make it worth a watch. For those only peripherally aware - Highly recommended. Otherwise recommended, but maybe wait for a Sunday afternoon.
**Spoiler alert of what is new (its truly hard to spoil some of these things as they are already in the internet wilderness and you need to see them to appreciate)**
*Original KLAS footage of Lazar as 'Dennis.'
*Many scenes of Lazar in his laboratory/shop and home. We even get to hear him swear a little ;D
*A description of how Element 115 is cut before placing it in the reactor (was mostly described generally now we get drawings)
*Lazar's Wife and Mom vouch for him.
*A raid on the Lazar's workshop for frivolous reasons after filming described.
* Lazar sees pictures of the S-4 hand scanner device for the first time in 30 years.
*The back of Lazar's Los Alamos badge is shown (It is consistent with those used in the early to the mid 80s) - previous reviews said the back of the S4 badge - this is not so.
*Bonus - Scenes of George Knapp's home office! And a poolside reading of his "nano-particles of Unobtanium" opener!
Am I convinced? I will always be a bit skeptical but this has shifted me a notch towards believing. Lets put it this way. He is the most credible whistle blower of his kind.
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I just saw the recently released Lazar documentary, Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers.
I can only find it available for streaming viewing on Amazon Prime Video or VUDU.
Cost to rent to view is $5.99 in HD for both services.
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Am I convinced? I will always be a bit skeptical but this has shifted me a notch towards believing. Lets put it this way. He is the most credible whistle blower of his kind.
You may enjoy this more than the movie, @Dyna-X
I still think his is the best woo story out there.
Lots of holes and funky stuff if you dig deep enough but woo enough to remain interesting
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You may enjoy this more than the movie, @Dyna-X
I still think his is the best woo story out there.
Lots of holes and funky stuff if you dig deep enough but woo enough to remain interesting
Thanks for this Bart. I watched the documentary a couple of weeks ago.
I think I believe Lazar for the most part.
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You may enjoy this more than the movie, @Dyna-X
I still think his is the best woo story out there.
Lots of holes and funky stuff if you dig deep enough but woo enough to remain interesting
Thanks, Bart.
The Lazar story connects into my life through my stepdad who was a Los Alamos Lab employee (in the Physics division) in the late 70s through the late 80s. In 1990 we were all watching a TV show "A Current Affair" which was mostly celebrity gossip and they featured Lazar's story. The first words out of his mouth were "I can't believe he is talking about this!"
I asked if he knew Lazar and he said "Yeah, we called him "the kid." In 1982, he would have been 38 and Lazar 23. When he saw the phonebook with K/M without delay he knew it was Kirk-Meier, the subcontractor. (Oddly, the K/M is cut out of most of the modern documentaries)
I looked for Lazar in my Dad's copy of the lab phone book from 1987 and he wasn't listed. I even saw some old JANET paperwork. Really, it was nothing more than about two pages of rules and regulations. As it turns out it really is Joint Air NETwork. He was at the Test site dozens of times.
The only major TV presentation of UFO woo I had seen before that seemed to set the stage was UFO Coverup: Live in September 1988 and it mentioned they were keeping live aliens in Nevada. 6 months later Linda Moulton Howe's an Alien Harvest was released with recreations of the briefing documents Bill Cooper claimed to have seen mentioning test flights of saucers at Area 51/Dreamland. My Dad's resume even mentioned Area 51 specifically for an unclassified project he did there. Lazar brought new narrative to all of this with S-4 right next to Area 51.
It would be another 5 years before the newspaper announced Art Bell's syndication on the local station.
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Managed to get my wife to watch the movie/documentary today and I think.. she believes Bob. We had a bit of a discussion afterwards and me trying to explain element 115 probably sounded like a gas station attendant trying to explain fine French cuisine :-\ :-\ :-\
He's the guy you want to believe.
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I just saw the recently released Lazar documentary, Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers.
Those that are regular listeners to Art Bell and George Knapp on the half-dozen or so shows will find some portions to be a tedious rehash, but with some new information and previously unseen tidbits that make it worth a watch. For those only peripherally aware - Highly recommended. Otherwise recommended, but maybe wait for a Sunday afternoon.
**Spoiler alert of what is new (its truly hard to spoil some of these things as they are already in the internet wilderness and you need to see them to appreciate)**
*Original KLAS footage of Lazar as 'Dennis.'
*Many scenes of Lazar in his laboratory/shop and home. We even get to hear him swear a little ;D
*A description of how Element 115 is cut before placing it in the reactor (was mostly described generally now we get drawings)
*Lazar's Wife and Mom vouch for him.
*A raid on the Lazar's workshop for frivolous reasons after filming described.
* Lazar sees pictures of the S-4 hand scanner device for the first time in 30 years.
*The back of Lazar's Los Alamos badge is shown (It is consistent with those used in the early to the mid 80s) - previous reviews said the back of the S4 badge - this is not so.
*Bonus - Scenes of George Knapp's home office! And a poolside reading of his "nano-particles of Unobtanium" opener!
Am I convinced? I will always be a bit skeptical but this has shifted me a notch towards believing. Lets put it this way. He is the most credible whistle blower of his kind.
Thanks, ice summary. I will have to watch this now.
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As with the Skinwalker Ranch documentary this is a George Knapp production and focuses strongly on Knapp's amazing archival footage and in doing so unwittingly gives an insider's view up front as to how TV stations in the 1980s tried to mask a whistleblower's identity. The answer is - not too well.
By sitting Bob Lazar in the front seat a TV mobile van for his filming, then directing a very bright key backlight from ten or 15 feet away, the producers tried to have Lazar's features obscured, yet his signature glasses and unique facial structure, and to unmasked voice, must have been a dead giveaway to anyone who knew him. It remains then no surprise that he became a made man in his first appearance.
What is surprising in this narrative is how well Corbell and team fleshed out the personality and unique childhood Bob had - his mother recalling in detail how he mounted a jet engine to a Stingray bike in the 6th grade, a project reprised later in the program, coupled with Bob's recollection of building his own particle collider as a teen. While there remains yet a "missing chapter" concerning Bob's reported but unproven matriculation at Cal Poly, his one playful dalliance with prostitution pimping in LV, the lasting insight we get is of a man equal parts serious scientist and trickster Tom Swift - building rocket cars in his Las Vegas suburban neighborhood, blowing things up in the desert, but in a totally guileless matter of fact way.
Corbell drums home how Lazar is affronted by his veracity being doubted, citing the numerous polygraph tests he's passed and allowing him and his wife, through rare home footage, to let us peer into the daily routines of a man still richly rewarded by science, even after the raids on his business (United Nuclear) both in New Mexico (his prior domicile) and now in Michigan by literally every federal and state agency one might be able to muster on a given day - and they did!
Suffice to say no trace of the infamous "element 115" were ever recovered, nor was Lazar ultimately silenced or perhaps even deeply intimidated. He makes clear however that if given a different life path to take that at this age (50s?) he'd have to consider the positives and negatives. That said he doesn't back away from what he did or what his stated motivations were. Bob doesn't like that our government is concealing advanced energy technologies from us.
The revelation of photos confirming the "hand scanner" device Lazar used to sign in to work at the S-4 compound south of Area 51 caused a bit of a mind bubble to this viewer who recalls his own bank was using a very similar unit (Diebold?) until recently which recorded hand size as well as fingerprints. Note to self - be sure and ask someone what happened to all the data that device recorded in its years as a gateway to the safety deposit box room? Securely deleted and shredded...of course... ::) ::) ::)
Unlike the more languid pacing of his Skinwalker film Corbell pulls out a few more stops for this one.
Yes the background music is still just a basic syncopated electronic distraction, but this time the filming steps up a bit with more quick cuts, public domain scifi clips, and of course the oft times mumbled narration of one Mickey Rourke, sounding a lot less like the urbane Boogie Sheftell in "Diner" than the bruising Marv in "Sin City ". Rourke's raspy and stumbling narration can be distracting, it can also simply be lost. Corbell might want to search out Peter Coyote the next time he needs a listenable and accessible speaker.
Similarly odd was the initial establishing shot of Knapp taken in the indoor pool enclosure of some Vegas hotel. His voice echoes needlessly causing me to ponder the choice of location - was there not an empty banquet room to be had?
Knapp for his part is a joy to watch in his younger years, a man the camera loved then and still does. Corbell chooses to use his smart phone on speaker to conduct some of his logistics with Knapp and as a dramatic tool I found that lacking. Knapp through a phone is OK. Knapp daring the camera face-on is what we recall from a real journalist. You simply don't see the personal commitment to research, the sober analysis of facts, the unwillingness to jump the shark and lead with a conclusion before the story tells itself in today's limpid tide of scriveners and didactic "newsy" video preachers. Watch this closely and revel in how disciplined Knapp was and still is.
You come away from this documentary with positive impressions of the journalist and his subject - but not because Corbell ginned you into such with platitudes or biased editorial guidance, rather he and Knapp let Bob be Bob and it works to perfection. Watching Lazar sketch out the gravity drive mechanism for a saucer on a large art pad on his kitchen island one feels to be auditing an advanced grad school seminar that Bob somehow renders gleefully in "Mythbusters" blueprint art simplicity, undeterred by the increasing complexity of the technology he is illustrating. That scene alone, and there are so many more, became for me the keystone of this entire construct.
Corbell's production ran a tight 1:37 minutes and at no point did it feel rushed or incomplete.
Unlike Skinwalker this profile in whistle-blowing humanizes the oft times enigmatic, but always privacy-seeking Lazar to the point that we accept his claim that he simply doesn't make things up. And why would he? This is a man in acceptance of what he has done, in protest of what was done to him, and in no mood to legitimize the government's tight-fisted imprisonment of alternative energies.
That the film begins and ends with a live real time FBI raid on Lazar's new digs miraculously didn't even begin to make this insightful journey through a life feel stagey.
Unlike Skinwalker you won't leave feeling sated by not knowing what the answer is.
At even the skeptical boundary of credence it seems unlikely that anyone who immerses themselves in this pool of government spooks, nerdy scientists, and black ops players will come away doubting Bob's veracity. As such it cracks the door for the audience as to just what is in our skies, who might be operating it, and why.
That's a fantastic bus stop on the journey of the unknown to jump off at.
Grade = 4 stars (A-) and well worth the time and money spent!
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Not sure how I feel about Mickey Rourke as the narrator.
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Not sure how I feel about Mickey Rourke as the narrator.
You can live with it if you embrace hims as the living definition of creepy, as such his gruff and mumbly voice is atmospheric.
I was being flip to invoke Peter Coyote (based on his PBS resume), but there was a need for someone with a voice that is equal parts menacing and and also campfire story-ish.
Suffice to say the opportunity to crawl inside Bob Lazar's life is the main attraction and I suspect anyone who watches this comes away knowing he is a very studious and non-drama-queen individual. It just grates on me to know the Feds are constantly hassling this guy to this day. :(
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I watched that JRE Lazar show the night it came out. It's pretty good in that Bob's story hasn't wavered at all since the story broke. If you've heard him before with Art (or anywhere else) there's nothing new to hear with the exception of hearing what Bob sounds like using colorful language. I believe he cusses a few times. I like how he corrected Joe only a few seconds in to the discussion. "we have to be accurate" - Bob to Joe.
Worth the watch if you've followed the Lazar case from the git-go. 8)
It get's a little fuzzy when Joe opens the phone lines and JC calls in ;D
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I found a 2007 interview that Art did with George Knapp where Knapp mentions actually seeing Element 115. He also mentions that you can see the container where it is stored in a news report he did in 1990 (I can`t find that video though... if anyone can point me to it, I`d love to see it).
I hesitate to mention this since it seems the parties involved are now saying "No comment" when asked about 115, but since this already aired on the radio, I guess it`s not a secret.
You can find the audio on Youtube under the title "Classic Art Bell - Skinwalker Ranch and Area 51". This is my first post (longtime listener, first time poster), so I`m not sure you if are allowed to post Youtube links here.
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I found a 2007 interview that Art did with George Knapp where Knapp mentions actually seeing Element 115. He also mentions that you can see the container where it is stored in a news report he did in 1990 (I can`t find that video though... if anyone can point me to it, I`d love to see it).
I hesitate to mention this since it seems the parties involved are now saying "No comment" when asked about 115, but since this already aired on the radio, I guess it`s not a secret.
You can find the audio on Youtube under the title "Classic Art Bell - Skinwalker Ranch and Area 51". This is my first post (longtime listener, first time poster), so I`m not sure you if are allowed to post Youtube links here.
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so I`m not sure you if are allowed to post Youtube links here.
You'd be surprised at you can post here. Especially if you're a complete Jackass! Pro Tip: Jackassery is encouraged here ;)