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« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2022, 08:27:26 AM »
The Framers deliberately kicked the can down the road on the question of slavery.  You are not a stupid person, though you give it the old college try, so I figure that you're doing this two-step for a reason.  So let's hear it.

Thomas, for those of you who aren't as deeply informed as PB, was the descendant of slaves.  He was born and raised in Georgia.

And here I thought you'd be going for the 3/5ths clause. 

They weren't trying to have a document that was a be all end all.  They knew insisting on the elimination of slavery would mean they wouldn't get an agreement.  As they say, politics is the art of the possible.

Look, the Articles of Confederation weren't working anymore.  They needed a new agreement among the 13 independent former colonies for a lot of reasons, one being excessive taxation for goods being shipped through some states on their way to other states.  At a time when they were surrounded by often hostile forces - the British, the French, and the Spanish were all in the area, among others, and often at war, pirates, the Indians to the west, they needed a collective security arrangement.  It expanded from there - they wanted to present to these neighbors and the rest of the world a united front, and did so with the creation of a federal government that was given these powers.

Have you ever even read the document?  It mostly sets up the House, Senate, presidency, and Supreme Court, and their duties, and some other relevant issues regarding the formation and continuation of a government.  The Bill of Rights - for all of us - came later.  Slavery wasn't an issue because it wasn't going to get resolved then, they'd already taken on an almost overwhelming amount of issues in order to regulate trade, resolve disputes, etc, and secure the new nation states.

So yes, they kicked the can down the road.  Just like every other piece of legislation that doesn't address everything on every issue under the sun.

Clarence Thomas thinks it's a brilliant governing document, and until someone can produce something better, thinks we should stick with it.  Regardless of it's flaws.

But you're saying he's black, so he isn't entitled to think that?

If you have any more questions, can you take them to the Politics section?

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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2022, 07:48:31 PM »
That was entertaining to read.  I'm not even being sarcastic.

Now, let's get right to the pain:

They weren't trying to have a document that was a be all end all.  They knew insisting on the elimination of slavery would mean they wouldn't get an agreement.  As they say, politics is the art of the possible.

No argument with this.  Creating a document that provided for its own amendment was a brilliant feature.  Washington even complimented that in his farewell address.

Look, the Articles of Confederation weren't working anymore.  They needed a new agreement among the 13 independent former colonies for a lot of reasons, one being excessive taxation for goods being shipped through some states on their way to other states.  At a time when they were surrounded by often hostile forces - the British, the French, and the Spanish were all in the area, among others, and often at war, pirates, the Indians to the west, they needed a collective security arrangement.  It expanded from there - they wanted to present to these neighbors and the rest of the world a united front, and did so with the creation of a federal government that was given these powers.

Have you ever even read the document?  It mostly sets up the House, Senate, presidency, and Supreme Court, and their duties, and some other relevant issues regarding the formation and continuation of a government.  The Bill of Rights - for all of us - came later.  Slavery wasn't an issue because it wasn't going to get resolved then, they'd already taken on an almost overwhelming amount of issues in order to regulate trade, resolve disputes, etc, and secure the new nation states.

So yes, they kicked the can down the road.  Just like every other piece of legislation that doesn't address everything on every issue under the sun.

A pleasant historical journey, which takes us back to my point: the intent of the Framers was that black people could be held as property, i.e. slavery.  Some did this actively; the others (as you point out) passively to achieve a compromise.  Be that as it may, the "intent" of the Framers was that black people could be held as property in states where slavery was lawful. 

Clarence Thomas thinks it's a brilliant governing document, and until someone can produce something better, thinks we should stick with it.  Regardless of it's flaws.

But you're saying he's black, so he isn't entitled to think that?

Well, no.  That's you discarding my original point, and putting words in my mouth.  It's a very disagreeable habit. 

I'm squarely in the camp of those who believe that this whole "intent of the Framers" quest is kind of stupid.  Especially so when it is brought up to a black person, because their "intent" that slavery was permissible, for whatever reason, was indecent by the standards of our times.  That means that everything else that they "intended" is subject to revision; the only exception that springs to mind is that the document be elastic enough to endure. 

Now, if Thomas wants to go down that forsaken path of "the intent of the Framers," I have no objection.  There's a place in society for those who hold moronic principles, as you of all people should appreciate.  There's also a place for black men to sport tats and unconventional hairstyles.  Deal with it, Chumley.   

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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2022, 09:01:01 PM »
As they say, politics is the art of the possible.

Fun FactTM: Gouverneur Morris, a Framer if there ever was one, died from an infection of internal injuries caused when he jammed a piece of whale bone up his wang.  He INTENDED to clear a blockage in his urinary tract. 

Morris was an outspoken opponent of slavery and liked to watch porn with Asian chicks in it.

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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2022, 09:53:26 PM »
That was entertaining to read.  I'm not even being sarcastic...

I responded to your horseshit in the politics thread.

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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2022, 11:35:28 PM »
I responded to your horseshit in the politics thread.

Shouldn't you respond to my horseshit in the Horseshit thread?

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« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2022, 05:25:19 PM »
Boston Celtics coach allegedly had an affair with female staff member Kathleen Nimmo-Lynch, who is the wife of a Senior VP.

This is a whole nuther level of impropriety ...

https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-ime-udokas-alleged-affair-was-with-kathleen-nimmo-lynch-wife-of-celtics-vp-patrick-lynch/

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« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2022, 03:48:48 AM »

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« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2022, 01:42:11 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2022, 01:07:06 AM »
Golden State had three players up for substantial extensions, and due to the tax for being over the salary cap they pretty much said they could keep only two of them.

A week after Draymond Green decked Jordan Poole at practice, the W's signed Poole and Andrew Wiggins to extensions, leaving Draymond the odd man out.

When he wasn't suspended for the attack, people were scratching their heads wondering why.  Well, unless there is a major change, it's because his punishment is he won't be on the team making 10s of millions after his current contract is up.

As his ghetto-rat mother tweeted awhile back about some other stupid shit he was involved in, ''we gone''.

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« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2022, 05:48:31 PM »