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Title: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 18, 2018, 06:46:05 AM
Anyone else here interested in this broad topic. Let me narrow down a few of my favorite topics and speakers or guests from shows.

Topics

John Dee
Rituals & Practices - in other words how to
Secret Societies and how they use the occult
The Occult in TV and literature
Symbolism
Ancient Languages & Societies and how they practiced the occult

Speakers

Tracy Twyman
Chris Knowles
Max Spears although is an all genre guy and sadly no longer with us
Dark Journalist on youtube gets into a lot of this stuff at times especially the Alice in Wonderland stuff
Michael Joseph

I could go on and on just wondered if there were other like minded people out here. Currently listening to Tracy Twyman talking to Alex from The Mega Aeon podcast on youtube.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on October 18, 2018, 07:25:49 AM
Secret Societies and the Occult
Chris Knowles 
Rituals and Practices

also how the Elite use the Occult
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: PolkaDot on October 18, 2018, 11:49:33 AM
Anyone else here interested in this broad topic. Let me narrow down a few of my favorite topics and speakers or guests from shows.

Topics

John Dee
Rituals & Practices - in other words how to
Secret Societies and how they use the occult
The Occult in TV and literature
Symbolism
Ancient Languages & Societies and how they practiced the occult

Speakers

Tracy Twyman
Chris Knowles
Max Spears although is an all genre guy and sadly no longer with us
Dark Journalist on youtube gets into a lot of this stuff at times especially the Alice in Wonderland stuff
Michael Joseph

I could go on and on just wondered if there were other like minded people out here. Currently listening to Tracy Twyman talking to Alex from The Mega Aeon podcast on youtube.

So, this may be a silly question but here it is: When you say occult do you mean magical practices/beliefs? Or like any "religion" that doesn't fall into the big 6?
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 18, 2018, 11:56:49 AM
So, this may be a silly question but here it is: When you say occult do you mean magical practices/beliefs? Or like any "religion" that doesn't fall into the big 6?
This is a fantastic question. Here's my take. Occult basically means hidden knowledge.
Definition:
1. supernatural, mystical, or magical beliefs, practices, or phenomena.
2. beyond the range of ordinary knowledge or experience; mysterious.

These are just a couple of ways to define it. So yes it could be magical practices and beliefs as well as the organizations that hold them. I see it as a lot of the ancient civilizations held some very interesting beliefs and rituals. One of my favs is the whole alchemy thing where people were trying to turn lead into gold. That has a science edge to it but IMO so do some of the rituals. I don't know if that helped at all as it's a broad word.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: PolkaDot on October 18, 2018, 12:08:18 PM
This is a fantastic question. Here's my take. Occult basically means hidden knowledge.
Definition:
1. supernatural, mystical, or magical beliefs, practices, or phenomena.
2. beyond the range of ordinary knowledge or experience; mysterious.

These are just a couple of ways to define it. So yes it could be magical practices and beliefs as well as the organizations that hold them. I see it as a lot of the ancient civilizations held some very interesting beliefs and rituals. One of my favs is the whole alchemy thing where people were trying to turn lead into gold. That has a science edge to it but IMO so do some of the rituals. I don't know if that helped at all as it's a broad word.

Groovy! Thank you.

Very fun. I've personally gone through different phases of interest and beliefs. Usually I lose interest because of the need for actual ritual. I really dislike the ritualization of things. Like Wicca, tried that for awhile. Too regimented - might as well join a Catholic Church. 

I am way into the study of the practices of people and the reasons why they do what they do. So interesting. So much of it seems to be driven by similiar human motivations at the core through out time and place. We hate not knowing! Humans are always searching for answers given the tools they have available to them. And the intermingling of faith and science is always present. I wonder if you can truly have one without the other?

I look forward to seeing what's thrown around and discussed!

Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 18, 2018, 12:25:38 PM
Groovy! Thank you.

Very fun. I've personally gone through different phases of interest and beliefs. Usually I lose interest because of the need for actual ritual. I really dislike the ritualization of things. Like Wicca, tried that for awhile. Too regimented - might as well join a Catholic Church. 

I am way into the study of the practices of people and the reasons why they do what they do. So interesting. So much of it seems to be driven by similiar human motivations at the core through out time and place. We hate not knowing! Humans are always searching for answers given the tools they have available to them. And the intermingling of faith and science is always present. I wonder if you can truly have one without the other?

I look forward to seeing what's thrown around and discussed!
Well said. I personally think science is its own religion in a way. I think the two need to meet if we ever are really going to know what is going on within this reality. Reality is a strange word too. Yours and mine could greatly differ yet we both live within the same 3 dimensional plane. Could be a lot of fun once we get going here.

I like to study different practices. I was baptized Episcopalian but we barely ever went to church. I have studied some Buddhist teachings, some Wicca or Witchcraft in my early 20s (don't a lot of women?) and really have found nothing that suits me. I find the idea of being able to communicate with other beings fascinating and terrifying. I love to read about ancient rituals too. I'm all over the place. I will look up some of my favorite interests in the next few days and post about them. I like things that are tied to music as well. For example Jimmiy Page bought one of Aleister Crowley's old homes and was said to have a fascination with him. Makes me wonder what ole Crowley was teaching. Oh and deals with the Devil, love those stories too. Robert Johnson comes to mind.

Thanks for your interest and let's keep this going!
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: PolkaDot on October 18, 2018, 02:52:08 PM
Well said. I personally think science is its own religion in a way. I think the two need to meet if we ever are really going to know what is going on within this reality. Reality is a strange word too. Yours and mine could greatly differ yet we both live within the same 3 dimensional plane. Could be a lot of fun once we get going here.

I like to study different practices. I was baptized Episcopalian but we barely ever went to church. I have studied some Buddhist teachings, some Wicca or Witchcraft in my early 20s (don't a lot of women?) and really have found nothing that suits me. I find the idea of being able to communicate with other beings fascinating and terrifying. I love to read about ancient rituals too. I'm all over the place. I will look up some of my favorite interests in the next few days and post about them. I like things that are tied to music as well. For example Jimmiy Page bought one of Aleister Crowley's old homes and was said to have a fascination with him. Makes me wonder what ole Crowley was teaching. Oh and deals with the Devil, love those stories too. Robert Johnson comes to mind.

Thanks for your interest and let's keep this going!

Oh yes! All those blues singers at the crossroads!

Crowley was a strange duck to say the least and he intersects with so many interesting other things and people in his time and ours. You could jump into that topic and never see the light of day!
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: wr250 on October 18, 2018, 04:47:38 PM
Well said. I personally think science is its own religion in a way. I think the two need to meet if we ever are really going to know what is going on within this reality. Reality is a strange word too. Yours and mine could greatly differ yet we both live within the same 3 dimensional plane. Could be a lot of fun once we get going here.

I like to study different practices. I was baptized Episcopalian but we barely ever went to church. I have studied some Buddhist teachings, some Wicca or Witchcraft in my early 20s (don't a lot of women?) and really have found nothing that suits me. I find the idea of being able to communicate with other beings fascinating and terrifying. I love to read about ancient rituals too. I'm all over the place. I will look up some of my favorite interests in the next few days and post about them. I like things that are tied to music as well. For example Jimmiy Page bought one of Aleister Crowley's old homes and was said to have a fascination with him. Makes me wonder what ole Crowley was teaching. Oh and deals with the Devil, love those stories too. Robert Johnson comes to mind.

Thanks for your interest and let's keep this going!
actually we live in 4 dimensions our senses can detect. possibly more; i just looked at some science article on that this morning. ill try and find it.
/*edit*/
https://phys.org/news/2014-12-universe-dimensions.html
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 18, 2018, 04:50:49 PM
Oh yes! All those blues singers at the crossroads!

Crowley was a strange duck to say the least and he intersects with so many interesting other things and people in his time and ours. You could jump into that topic and never see the light of day!
Yeah hours on Crowley. I am so excited there is a response. Other things I like is all the CERN could be occultic topic too! Links soon!
First video that got me into Tracy. Freeman is a little heavy Christian for me but a lot of his analysis is very good. Here she talks about contacting demons and how it ties into modern society.

Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 18, 2018, 04:51:18 PM
actually we live in 4 dimensions our senses can detect. possibly more; i just looked at some science article on that this morning. ill try and find it.
Awesome I can’t wait to read it! Thanks WR250!
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: wr250 on October 18, 2018, 04:53:29 PM
Awesome I can’t wait to read it! Thanks WR250!
https://phys.org/news/2014-12-universe-dimensions.html

/*edit*/ the 4 dimensions are height,length, depth (or width), and time.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 18, 2018, 04:58:13 PM
https://phys.org/news/2014-12-universe-dimensions.html

/*edit*/ the 4 dimensions are height,length, depth (or width), and time.
That was awesome! Love that kind of reading.

Here is a bit of Dark Journalist breaking down theosophy.

Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: wr250 on October 18, 2018, 04:59:13 PM
Well said. I personally think science is its own religion in a way. I think the two need to meet if we ever are really going to know what is going on within this reality. Reality is a strange word too. Yours and mine could greatly differ yet we both live within the same 3 dimensional plane. Could be a lot of fun once we get going here.

I like to study different practices. I was baptized Episcopalian but we barely ever went to church. I have studied some Buddhist teachings, some Wicca or Witchcraft in my early 20s (don't a lot of women?) and really have found nothing that suits me. I find the idea of being able to communicate with other beings fascinating and terrifying. I love to read about ancient rituals too. I'm all over the place. I will look up some of my favorite interests in the next few days and post about them. I like things that are tied to music as well. For example Jimmiy Page bought one of Aleister Crowley's old homes and was said to have a fascination with him. Makes me wonder what ole Crowley was teaching. Oh and deals with the Devil, love those stories too. Robert Johnson comes to mind.

Thanks for your interest and let's keep this going!
science is a religion IMO.
as far as deals with the devil , what about the "perfectly possessed" ?
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 18, 2018, 05:08:45 PM
science is a religion IMO.
as far as deals with the devil , what about the "perfectly possessed" ?
Sure. Father Martin’s interview is a classic. Many hidden mysteries in The Vactican too! I think possession can exist with mental illness or without. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 19, 2018, 05:31:33 AM
I am listening to Tracy Twyman on Occulture podcast. I like this podcast overall. She is discussing her connection to QANON in an esoteric way. It's truly enlightening.
https://www.occulturepodcast.com/

Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: DynamoHum on October 19, 2018, 05:39:50 AM
You really can’t beat a good bit of Blavatsky for good occult stuff :)
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on October 19, 2018, 05:40:19 AM
I am listening to Tracy Twyman on Occulture podcast. I like this podcast overall. She is discussing her connection to QANON in an esoteric way. It's truly enlightening.
https://www.occulturepodcast.com/

I hear her on Higherside Chats  Will try this podcast .. thanks.  @ponyboysunset
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 19, 2018, 05:43:15 AM
You really can’t beat a good bit of Blavatsky for good occult stuff :)
No, you can't. She has influenced modern society and religions in so many different ways. She's a fascinating character.  :)
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 19, 2018, 05:44:36 AM
I hear her on Higherside Chats  Will try this podcast .. thanks.  @ponyboysunset
Might be hit and miss for you if you aren't into the darker stuff but overall I really like it. I am in no way affiliated with it I just really enjoy it! But it's free so giving it a try hurts no one.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: wr250 on October 19, 2018, 05:47:29 AM
Might be hit and miss for you if you aren't into the darker stuff but overall I really like it. I am in no way affiliated with it I just really enjoy it! But it's free so giving it a try hurts no one.
im not into the darker stuff. i dont like horror etc. if i want horror ill read the evening news.  the darker side of the occult cant match what humans do to each other...
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on October 19, 2018, 05:49:03 AM
im not into the darker stuff. i dont like horror etc. if i want horror ill read the evening news.  the darker side of the occult cant match what humans do to each other...

I can watch a horror film but the news is hard because it seems to be real.. :-\ 
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 19, 2018, 05:53:57 AM
im not into the darker stuff. i dont like horror etc. if i want horror ill read the evening news.  the darker side of the occult cant match what humans do to each other...
I understand. I think there is something for everyone under this umbrella. I like it all and I am fascinated by the darker stuff. I don't watch the news but that's for a whole other set of reasons that aren't relevant to this thread. So let's all keep posting things related to this topic and see where it goes.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 19, 2018, 05:55:20 AM
I can watch a horror film but the news is hard because it seems to be real.. :-\
I don't like startle horror but I enjoy a good psychological thriller and prefer older horror like Hitchcock. A lot of horror movies are saturated with Occult symbolism. One of my favorites is The Ninth Gate and it's a fairly modern movie.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: Bart Ell on October 19, 2018, 06:00:23 AM
A woman got the key to my hotel room and tried to stab me in my neck while I was sleeping. How is this occult related? Stay tuned for the next part of the story!
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 19, 2018, 06:01:37 AM
A woman got the key to my hotel room and tried to stab me in my neck while I was sleeping. How is this occult related? Stay tuned for the next part of the story!
I'm on pins and needles waiting!  ;)
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: Bart Ell on October 19, 2018, 06:04:52 AM
I'm on pins and needles waiting!  ;)

Until then - enjoy the fact that we have 666 members.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on October 19, 2018, 06:05:52 AM
Until then - enjoy the fact that we have 666 members.

yes, I saw that..lol 
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 19, 2018, 06:06:16 AM
Until then - enjoy the fact that we have 666 members.
Truly an "evil", yet powerful forum! 8)
Praise BE!
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: DynamoHum on October 19, 2018, 06:09:09 AM
A woman got the key to my hotel room and tried to stab me in my neck while I was sleeping. How is this occult related? Stay tuned for the next part of the story!

For real?

WTAF.

That’s a tasty lawsuit brewing!
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: GravitySucks on October 19, 2018, 06:13:05 AM
A woman got the key to my hotel room and tried to stab me in my neck while I was sleeping. How is this occult related? Stay tuned for the next part of the story!

You’re married?
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: Bart Ell on October 19, 2018, 06:16:43 AM
You’re married?

All my wives and girlfriends love me.

Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: GravitySucks on October 19, 2018, 06:23:00 AM
All my wives and girlfriends love me.

That’s understandable.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 19, 2018, 06:24:41 AM
All my wives and girlfriends love me.
Now is this a poly situation or are they all separate from one another? And of course they love you. LOL
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: Peter Wyngarde on October 19, 2018, 06:36:28 AM
I personally think science is its own religion in a way.

No it isn't. Science uses evidence, religion makes up stories without any evidence for them. If new information becomes available then scientists change their mind. If you try to change the views of a religion you end up having a war. If science was a religion, the Einsteinians and the Newtonians would have killed each other. Instead, everyone simply examined the data and found that Einstein was correct and that Newtonian mechanics doesn't answer all the questions any more.

Everybody uses science all the time. If you didn't you'd be dead. It's not a religion, it's just the best method we have for finding the truth about reality.

Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 19, 2018, 06:53:32 AM
No it isn't. Science uses evidence, religion makes up stories without any evidence for them. If new information becomes available then scientists change their mind. If you try to change the views of a religion you end up having a war. If science was a religion, the Einsteinians and the Newtonians would have killed each other. Instead, everyone simply examined the data and found that Einstein was correct and that Newtonian mechanics doesn't answer all the questions any more.

Everybody uses science all the time. If you didn't you'd be dead. It's not a religion, it's just the best method we have for finding the truth about reality.
The ritualistic nature of science reminds me of religion. The way experiments are conducted would be a similar way I see it. As far as new information goes I believe the Catholic church has become quite progressive with the latest Pope much to the horror of many of its followers. I just see the two being more a like than different.

Regarding made up stories, to an extent sure. But don't we have proof Jesus existed? As in the Shroud of Turin? I think though that may have been contested. I believe there is a new Buddha every so often as well and that is quite real to them and not a made up story, although I believe you could argue that the mythos behind it could be made up.

I do see your point and I personally have nothing against science. I just chose to see it differently. Then again I don't see anything wrong with your view point either. I find it interesting that a lot of scientists also belonged to secret occult societies as well. Ben Franklin and the Hellfire Club. You have Telsa and Thomas Edison in the Ultra Plus Plus society. Seems to me these men thought there was something to it. But it may have been completely separate from science.

Thanks for weighing in. All viewpoints have something to be learned from them in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 19, 2018, 07:01:47 AM
An example of parapsychologists trying to create the paranormal. This to me is a lot like ritual. Repeating the same steps hoping to record and gain knowledge on a certain hypothesis.
https://www.strangerdimensions.com/2012/03/20/the-philip-experiment/
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on October 19, 2018, 03:43:07 PM
The ritualistic nature of science reminds me of religion. The way experiments are conducted would be a similar way I see it. As far as new information goes I believe the Catholic church has become quite progressive with the latest Pope much to the horror of many of its followers. I just see the two being more a like than different.

Regarding made up stories, to an extent sure. But don't we have proof Jesus existed? As in the Shroud of Turin? I think though that may have been contested. I believe there is a new Buddha every so often as well and that is quite real to them and not a made up story, although I believe you could argue that the mythos behind it could be made up.

I do see your point and I personally have nothing against science. I just chose to see it differently. Then again I don't see anything wrong with your view point either. I find it interesting that a lot of scientists also belonged to secret occult societies as well. Ben Franklin and the Hellfire Club. You have Telsa and Thomas Edison in the Ultra Plus Plus society. Seems to me these men thought there was something to it. But it may have been completely separate from science.

Thanks for weighing in. All viewpoints have something to be learned from them in my opinion.

Unfortunately , Science has become an atheistic "religion" of sorts as they do not even deal with much of what Einstein had to say (Time is an illusion, albeit a most persistent one, There is no such thing as matter, just energy at a lower vibration)..They do not do experiments in consiousness, and most scientists are not awarded grants or even blacklisted even they deal in consciousness, "paranormal" research..Check out scientist Dean Radin who does do paranormal research.. Science has a stake in promoting materialistic culture and the status quo.. the best site for Conciousness vs. Science is skeptico, i think..

Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: wr250 on October 19, 2018, 05:35:03 PM
All my wives and girlfriends love me.


you cant be warren jeffs, he's still in the slammer. i hope your not related to him ...
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: albrecht on October 20, 2018, 02:47:39 PM
you cant be warren jeffs, he's still in the slammer. i hope your not related to him ...
I was going to mention that Brother Stair guy who runs/ran a big radio ministry but I see another self-proclaimed prophet is in the slammer for sexual crimes:
"A self-styled prophet who raped a woman during a healing ritual was yesterday jailed for 20 years. Herbert Senda, 34, had denied the charges when he appeared before Harare regional magistrate Hosea Mujaya but was convicted after full trial because of overwhelming evidence."

http://nehandaradio.com/2018/04/05/prophet-jailed-20-years-for-rape/

As for "occult," many now use this term to mean "hidden," not necessarily evil, satanic, manipulative, etc. At least in theory one could have a system in which occult practices are used but whose goals are good. There could be rational, even "good," reasons to have certain levels of knowledge, initiation, or even secrecy. Depending on the goals, the society, the prevailing religion, etc. A counter argument is, of course, that secrecy by nature tends towards the "bad side," or at least ugly or embarrassing side? And it is far too easy for a secret society, knowledge, power-structure, or relationship to turn "ugly" or get corrupted.

Re: "science" but also in other fields there is a, somewhat, necessary hierarchy. Unless one is some kind of idiot savant or child prodigy is very hard to grasp certain concepts, processes, etc without first learning other things. Depending on the person/subject it might be able to do so but in many cases you need a foundation before you build the house. Even things like a simple definition of terms, knowledge of history, etc are often necessary to argument, or think, about a certain subject. In science or "pure math" likewise there are definitions, fundamentals, and such that need to be learned before the more esoteric and complex things. At least for most people. There are genuine geniuses and sometimes even the most unlikely people. But for many things there are steps in knowledge and building-blocks etc.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: Evil Twin Of Zen on October 20, 2018, 05:06:55 PM
umm... the Sun was paranormal at one time...

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Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: Evil Twin Of Zen on October 20, 2018, 05:13:27 PM
....

Re: "science" but also in other fields there is a, somewhat, necessary hierarchy. Unless one is some kind of idiot savant or child prodigy is very hard to grasp certain concepts, processes, etc without first learning other things. Depending on the person/subject it might be able to do so but in many cases you need a foundation before you build the house. Even things like a simple definition of terms, knowledge of history, etc are often necessary to argument, or think, about a certain subject. In science or "pure math" likewise there are definitions, fundamentals, and such that need to be learned before the more esoteric and complex things. At least for most people. There are genuine geniuses and sometimes even the most unlikely people. But for many things there are steps in knowledge and building-blocks etc.

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Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: Aquarius on October 20, 2018, 08:44:06 PM
actually we live in 4 dimensions our senses can detect. possibly more; i just looked at some science article on that this morning. ill try and find it.
/*edit*/
https://phys.org/news/2014-12-universe-dimensions.html
Thanks, wr250, that is a very interesting article!

And this is an interesting thread! What am I going to do, I barely have time for the threads I'm on and now this?  ;D ;D ;D

This may be oversimplifying, but to me science and its search for evidence to prove or disprove any given theory is mostly limited by a three- or possibly four-dimensional understanding of our world. There is so much more going on that we just don't have any capability to understand at this point in our evolution, and so many things that happen that are not easily explainable by our current scientific knowledge. In a very broad sense, the intentions underlying both faith and science seem to me to be the same, an attempt by us human beings to understand on the deepest most profound levels how our universe works, and who and what we really are.

Science cannot explain our consciousness. Faith, other than asserting that God made the physical world can't explain the ongoing questions every new scientific discovery presences for future research. So I think they are in some way different methodologies on a continuum, both seeking to know ourselves and our world more deeply.

I hope this makes sense, not sure I'm expressing myself well here.

In any case, I'm delighted to see this thread and will pop in when I can.

Thanks for starting it, PBS!
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: albrecht on October 20, 2018, 09:19:46 PM
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I don't get some of these memes, so unsure if this was criticism, a joke; something supporting my comment or poking fun of it. I like words, easier for me to understand- but regardless, that hat couldn't have been made without some hydrocarbon cracking and that type tends to fit my head, if a Big Ag, some sports team, or even some beer or whatever company gives them to me for free- all the better....and wearing for utility, fishing, etc not for fashion. Not gonna buy. Though. Don't get buying to advertise someone else's company.  ;)
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: Evil Twin Of Zen on October 20, 2018, 10:08:06 PM
Thanks, wr250, that is a very interesting article!

And this is an interesting thread! What am I going to do, I barely have time for the threads I'm on and now this?  ;D ;D ;D

This may be oversimplifying, but to me science and its search for evidence to prove or disprove any given theory is mostly limited by a three- or possibly four-dimensional understanding of our world. There is so much more going on that we just don't have any capability to understand at this point in our evolution, and so many things that happen that are not easily explainable by our current scientific knowledge. In a very broad sense, the intentions underlying both faith and science seem to me to be the same, an attempt by us human beings to understand on the deepest most profound levels how our universe works, and who and what we really are.

Science cannot explain our consciousness. Faith, other than asserting that God made the physical world can't explain the ongoing questions every new scientific discovery presences for future research. So I think they are in some way different methodologies on a continuum, both seeking to know ourselves and our world more deeply.

I hope this makes sense, not sure I'm expressing myself well here.

In any case, I'm delighted to see this thread and will pop in when I can.

Thanks for starting it, PBS!

i really enjoy observing the clouds in the sky. clear skies do not interest me at all. i can identify and tell anyone that cares to listen, everything about the clouds i'm looking at in the sky.
i can't express to those same sad few listening to me.... in words.... what i see

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did you know that two individuals looking at the same rainbow, do not see the same rainbow? even more interesting is that each of those individuals two eyes do not see the same rainbow. it takes science to find out about and understand such things.
even so.... it certainly makes a rainbow even more amazing. it takes something else for that to be understood.

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In a very broad sense, the intentions underlying both faith and science seem to me to be the same, an attempt by us human beings to understand on the deepest most profound levels how our universe works, and who and what we really are.

our species today... manipulate forces that secret teachings dreamed of.... those same teachings also held an understanding and warnings of handling such forces... they understood what a raging storm our species can be...

ummm.... so.... yes?
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: Evil Twin Of Zen on October 20, 2018, 10:48:07 PM
I don't get some of these memes, so unsure if this was criticism, a joke; something supporting my comment or poking fun of it. I like words, easier for me to understand- but regardless, that hat couldn't have been made without some hydrocarbon cracking and that type tends to fit my head, if a Big Ag, some sports team, or even some beer or whatever company gives them to me for free- all the better....and wearing for utility, fishing, etc not for fashion. Not gonna buy. Though. Don't get buying to advertise someone else's company.  ;)

Re: "science" but also in other fields there is a, somewhat, necessary hierarchy. Unless one is some kind of idiot savant or child prodigy is very hard to grasp certain concepts, processes, etc without first learning other things. Depending on the person/subject it might be able to do so but in many cases you need a foundation before you build the house. Even things like a simple definition of terms, knowledge of history, etc are often necessary to argument, or think, about a certain subject. In science or "pure math" likewise there are definitions, fundamentals, and such that need to be learned before the more esoteric and complex things. At least for most people. There are genuine geniuses and sometimes even the most unlikely people. But for many things there are steps in knowledge and building-blocks etc.

it was a quick attempt to express that not only are you correct, but that is exactly what i have always done to learn something of interest to me. those things of interest do included science, the paranormal, and the occult. the key to the kingdom was my first library card in the third grade. my key to the heavens is being accessed with the same tool with which i type this post. i also have the benefit of having traveled much of the planet, lived in other cultures, and immersed in seeing other perspectives from getting to know people in those places.

the images posted usually make more sense to the poster. i'm never disappointed if that is true.

as for the hats... free is just fine. here in Missouri i think they are considered a cheap toupee.

anyway, i have been told that i'm kind of weird to talk to.... so there's that..

Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: EarthAlien007 on October 21, 2018, 09:33:58 AM
A show about DMT experiences could be fun.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: albrecht on October 21, 2018, 04:33:21 PM
it was a quick attempt to express that not only are you correct, but that is exactly what i have always done to learn something of interest to me. those things of interest do included science, the paranormal, and the occult. the key to the kingdom was my first library card in the third grade. my key to the heavens is being accessed with the same tool with which i type this post. i also have the benefit of having traveled much of the planet, lived in other cultures, and immersed in seeing other perspectives from getting to know people in those places.

the images posted usually make more sense to the poster. i'm never disappointed if that is true.

as for the hats... free is just fine. here in Missouri i think they are considered a cheap toupee.

anyway, i have been told that i'm kind of weird to talk to.... so there's that..
Understood. I wasn't clear by the meme/pic or whatever it is called. Travel, and better work, in other cultures a good thing for perspective. Sometimes makes you appreciate what you have, other times makes you see what is wrong in what you have. There should be no shame in male pattern baldness! And folks should take off hats indoors. But I think people should wear more hats (less cancer) though not in a hipster way.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 22, 2018, 05:31:06 AM
A show about DMT experiences could be fun.
I haven't ever done it so I can't speak to the validity of the experience. It would be more in the realm of an Aldous show. My drug experience is very limited.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: wr250 on October 22, 2018, 07:05:39 AM
I haven't ever done it so I can't speak to the validity of the experience. It would be more in the realm of an Aldous show. My drug experience is very limited.

i would like to do such a show with @Aldous Burbank for his perspective on this.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 22, 2018, 07:11:21 AM
i would like to do such a show with @Aldous Burbank for his perspective on this.
That would be cool with me.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: wr250 on October 22, 2018, 07:54:44 AM
'

A. Burbank seems to permanently over on the "dark side" aka bgab now    :-X @wr250
if thats where he wants to be, then more power to him. bellgab is not "the dark side", its just another internet forum.

/*edit*/ typo
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: tootsie_wootsy on October 22, 2018, 07:56:00 AM
if thats where he wants to be, then more power to him. bellgab is "the dark side", its just another internet forum.


yes, i agree.. just sayin   :) :)  @wr250 
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: wr250 on October 22, 2018, 07:57:21 AM

yes, i agree.. just sayin   :) :)  @wr250
i edited my post to fix a typo.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: DynamoHum on October 24, 2018, 01:51:35 AM
This might be fun!

https://boingboing.net/2018/10/23/listen-to-vincent-prices-del.html
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 24, 2018, 01:59:59 AM
This might be fun!

https://boingboing.net/2018/10/23/listen-to-vincent-prices-del.html
Hell yes! Thanks Dynamo!
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: wr250 on October 24, 2018, 05:19:37 AM
Hell yes! Thanks Dynamo!
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 24, 2018, 06:22:38 AM

Awesome!
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: albrecht on October 24, 2018, 06:12:30 PM
This might be fun!

https://boingboing.net/2018/10/23/listen-to-vincent-prices-del.html
Price could read a recipe on how to hard-boil an egg sound riveting and spooky! Thanks!

ps: he actually did make some recipe albums
 http://www.thesoundofvincentprice.com/records/
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: PolkaDot on October 29, 2018, 04:15:42 PM
Price could read a recipe on how to hard-boil an egg sound riveting and spooky! Thanks!

ps: he actually did make some recipe albums
 http://www.thesoundofvincentprice.com/records/
Have you heard or read his daughter? He sounds like he was an interesting man!
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: albrecht on October 29, 2018, 04:35:43 PM
Have you heard or read his daughter? He sounds like he was an interesting man!
Somehow it seems familiar but I can say that I never have read her books but maybe caught an interview somewhere, sometime? I think sort of a new-agey type which is fine but usually not my thing. But would be interested to hear her on her dad etc. For some reason as a kid I always thought that he was European, see my stereotyping ha, because of his good way of speaking and being a gourmet with food. But he was from St. Louis as I learned later.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: PolkaDot on October 29, 2018, 06:45:07 PM
Somehow it seems familiar but I can say that I never have read her books but maybe caught an interview somewhere, sometime? I think sort of a new-agey type which is fine but usually not my thing. But would be interested to hear her on her dad etc. For some reason as a kid I always thought that he was European, see my stereotyping ha, because of his good way of speaking and being a gourmet with food. But he was from St. Louis as I learned later.

I heard a podcast interview of hers, I'll try and look it up. I really enjoyed it. It's always interesting to hear a different side of a public figure.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: albrecht on October 29, 2018, 09:30:12 PM
I heard a podcast interview of hers, I'll try and look it up. I really enjoyed it. It's always interesting to hear a different side of a public figure.
If you find post it. Thanks. Tho warn, if "bad" I might want to know.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on October 30, 2018, 05:24:15 AM
Getting ready to start The Occulture podcast. It's a great show with a lot of fun topics. This week is the Halloween episode!
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: HumanBeing on November 16, 2018, 04:30:43 PM
That was awesome! Love that kind of reading.

Here is a bit of Dark Journalist breaking down theosophy.



Ah yes  :D I really enjoy Dark Journalist and his youtube podcasts. He covers some very interesting material and is well researched.

I'm slowly working my way through a couple Secret Space Program conferences that were held in 2014 and 2015 that was recently referenced during one of his podcasts due to the SSP trademark fiasco by the blue chicken cult.

I have the 4 volume book set of The Secret Doctrine and Isis Unveiled by Blavatsky. There is some dense material in it. I have so many esoteric books but a lot of them I've only used just as reference so far. 
But I admire the deep research that some authors partake in that others fear to tread. Earth has such a rich history and most of it we will never truly know. It can be quite frustrating to try and weed through the fluff to get to material of substance.


Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: ponyboysunset on November 17, 2018, 06:26:33 AM
Ah yes  :D I really enjoy Dark Journalist and his youtube podcasts. He covers some very interesting material and is well researched.

I'm slowly working my way through a couple Secret Space Program conferences that were held in 2014 and 2015 that was recently referenced during one of his podcasts due to the SSP trademark fiasco by the blue chicken cult.

I have the 4 volume book set of The Secret Doctrine and Isis Unveiled by Blavatsky. There is some dense material in it. I have so many esoteric books but a lot of them I've only used just as reference so far. 
But I admire the deep research that some authors partake in that others fear to tread. Earth has such a rich history and most of it we will never truly know. It can be quite frustrating to try and weed through the fluff to get to material of substance.
I like how he connects the dots with so many different things. I love reading esoteric stuff in my spare time.
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: Whistler on January 24, 2019, 04:56:59 PM
Anyone else here interested in this broad topic. Let me narrow down a few of my favorite topics and speakers or guests from shows.

Topics

John Dee...
Right up my alley PBS.   ;)
Michael Tsarion has covered a lot of ground in this area.
https://truthscrambler.com/2017/12/21/michael-tsarion-john-dee-and-the-macrobes/ (https://truthscrambler.com/2017/12/21/michael-tsarion-john-dee-and-the-macrobes/)

Take note that he mentions energy from matter, and then matter from energy. Now throw CERN into the mix.
Why ?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrodgers/2014/05/19/einstein-was-right-you-can-turn-energy-into-matter/ (https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrodgers/2014/05/19/einstein-was-right-you-can-turn-energy-into-matter/)
and
https://phys.org/news/2014-05-scientists-year-quest.html (https://phys.org/news/2014-05-scientists-year-quest.html)

The following is more vaguely worded, but it's a confirmation of a new science - a science they've been hunting for, for hundreds of years.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170814125918.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170814125918.htm)

And please keep in mind that the Macrobes require blood as payment. Ritual sacrifice, the marked offering, the timing of the ritual, all play a part.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/cern-human-sacrifice-video-watch-hadron-collider-god-particle-a7196881.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/cern-human-sacrifice-video-watch-hadron-collider-god-particle-a7196881.html)

That's about as concisely as I can distill it down, if you have no background into this kind of information.    ;)
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: Whistler on January 24, 2019, 05:20:16 PM
I don't like startle horror but I enjoy a good psychological thriller and prefer older horror like Hitchcock. A lot of horror movies are saturated with Occult symbolism. One of my favorites is The Ninth Gate and it's a fairly modern movie.
Especially the ones from the '20's and '30's.  ;)  (Check out archive.org)
Ive checked the symbolism on those old flicks, and 80 - 90 % is dead-on-balls-accurate.
(Pause the flick, mark it down, then search it)
I've also learned some things on different branches of the occult from those old movies.
(Horror flicks aren't really my Genre' either.)  ;)
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: Whistler on January 24, 2019, 05:23:23 PM
No it isn't. Science uses evidence, religion makes up stories without any evidence for them. If new information becomes available then scientists change their mind. If you try to change the views of a religion you end up having a war. If science was a religion, the Einsteinians and the Newtonians would have killed each other. Instead, everyone simply examined the data and found that Einstein was correct and that Newtonian mechanics doesn't answer all the questions any more.

Everybody uses science all the time. If you didn't you'd be dead. It's not a religion, it's just the best method we have for finding the truth about reality.
LOL - you just proved PBS's point by how religious you are about the strictures of science.  ;)   ;D
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: Anthony on April 27, 2019, 10:16:18 PM
Magick
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: 26 horses on April 28, 2019, 10:40:55 AM
Birdman:



"There ya go, you mother f**ker, gravity doesn't even apply to you!"
Title: Re: The Occult
Post by: Azzerae on June 06, 2019, 08:35:14 AM
Magick

Do you still post here?