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Rikki Gins Lounge => Natural Phenomena => Topic started by: Robert on March 21, 2020, 09:25:52 AM
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All I see is panic. The agent generated epidemics in a couple places, but that doesn't seem so unusual to me.
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Look up the 1976 Swine Flu government panic in which the government forced the drug companies to manufacture a vaccine and had to insure it as no insurance company would touch the rushed through medication. After a relatively few people were vaccinated they realized more people got Giullain Barre Syndrome from the vaccine than got the swine flu.
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Look up the 1976 Swine Flu government panic in which the government forced the drug companies to manufacture a vaccine and had to insure it as no insurance company would touch the rushed through medication. After a relatively few people were vaccinated they realized more people got Giullain Barre Syndrome from the vaccine than got the swine flu.
That was the one with the damn air gun right? I carry the mark of the pig.
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Look up the 1976 Swine Flu government panic in which the government forced the drug companies to manufacture a vaccine and had to insure it as no insurance company would touch the rushed through medication. After a relatively few people were vaccinated they realized more people got Giullain Barre Syndrome from the vaccine than got the swine flu.
Being in the military at the time, we never had a choice of which vaccines we received. Honor. Country. Valor. Needs of the Air Force. I haven’t had a flu shot since 1988. I got them for 6 years after I got out of the Air Force and then said fuck it. I was tired of getting sick for 2-3 days every time I got one. I think a tetanus booster is all that I have gotten since.
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Being in the military at the time, we never had a choice of which vaccines we received. Honor. Country. Valor. Needs of the Air Force. I haven’t had a flu shot since 1988. I got them for 6 years after I got out of the Air Force and then said fuck it. I was tired of getting sick for 2-3 days every time I got one. I think a tetanus booster is all that I have gotten since.
I got the tetanus booster, and last year my dr talked me into the measles booster, given all the new cases due mostly to illegal immigration
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I got the tetanus booster, and last year my dr talked me into the measles booster, given all the new cases due mostly to illegal immigration
Years ago we were notified to have a repeat vacination of one of the one you get when you are a kid, it was said they were failing. I don't want vaccines I don't need, neither did some of my co-workers. We got an order to have our titers checked, to find NONEof us needed a repeat vaccine
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Years ago we were notified to have a repeat vacination of one of the one you get when you are a kid, it was said they were failing. I don't want vaccines I don't need, neither did some of my co-workers. We got an order to have our titers checked, to find NONEof us needed a repeat vaccine
Did they check your titers one at a time?
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Did they check your titers one at a time?
Wha?
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Wha?
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Look up the 1976 Swine Flu government panic in which the government forced the drug companies to manufacture a vaccine and had to insure it as no insurance company would touch the rushed through medication. After a relatively few people were vaccinated they realized more people got Giullain Barre Syndrome from the vaccine than got the swine flu.
Wow. How did you come across that gem?
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All I see is panic. The agent generated epidemics in a couple places, but that doesn't seem so unusual to me.
You are correct. The CDC began hiring quarantine managers in many states a month before the virus was known. High paid managers, like up to $100K per year. Careers are being invested in quarantines... in a country which has never had major quarantines... a month before the virus was even known. So. That tells me that all the hysteria is engineered.
It's not uncommon in Italy for 20,000 people to die of the flu in any flu season. And since November, only about 4500 have died of the virus. So. I rule Italy out as proof of a pandemic.
We are being controlled. In my area, working/middle class pansies are traumatized by not being able to get enough toilet paper. No matter that cloth diapers worked fine for generations and generations. Anyhow, in this trauma, they area willing to believe anything, because they can't think straight.
In my area, funerals are prohibited. Over 50 at church is prohibited. We are losing our rights and our dignity. If someone I knew, or a politician here, died, people would not be allowed to congregate to prompt each other with collective memories. Honoring the dead would be just typing and reading comments one by one.
Everyone buys into this mass hysteria, in part because of the way charts show the virus deaths' growing exponentially. However, the charts are completely irrational, because they start at zero. But there never was a zero. There just weren't tests widely available.
Reliable sources say the virus did not come from China necessarily. So, it may have been around for decades undetected. After all, the symptoms are the same as the flu.
It's all a hoax. I'm appalled at my fellow citizens for buying into this hype. At one workplace recently, a regular customer, a full grown woman, said she was afraid to come in because she might get the virus. She had a tight mask on and rubber gloves. She held onto the door frame for moral support. The room was safe and practically empty. This is an example of mass hysteria.
And all these people upset because they can't go out and buy whatever they want. It's so silly, because a lot of low income people can't shop in between paychecks anyhow. Welcome to our world, duh.
Who benefits from shutting down the economy? It's hard for me to understand. But it is clear someone or some group of people have coordinated this panic very well and are manipulating the media and our fears to get us to give up some civil rights and cultural values. Outlawing funerals, horrible. What a horrible way not to honor our dead relatives. Good night.
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You are correct. The CDC began hiring quarantine managers in many states a month before the virus was known. High paid managers, like up to $100K per year. Careers are being invested in quarantines... in a country which has never had major quarantines... a month before the virus was even known. So. That tells me that all the hysteria is engineered.
It's not uncommon in Italy for 20,000 people to die of the flu in any flu season. And since November, only about 4500 have died of the virus. So. I rule Italy out as proof of a pandemic.
A few days ago I heard that of all the people tested in Korea, 1% had the virus. All of the rest had other illnesses.
We are being controlled. In my area, working/middle class pansies are traumatized by not being able to get enough toilet paper. No matter that cloth diapers worked fine for generations and generations. Anyhow, in this trauma, they area willing to believe anything, because they can't think straight.
Very true.
In my area, funerals are prohibited. Over 50 at church is prohibited. We are losing our rights and our dignity. If someone I knew, or a politician here, died, people would not be allowed to congregate to prompt each other with collective memories. Honoring the dead would be just typing and reading comments one by one. Everyone buys into this mass hysteria, in part because of the way charts show the virus deaths' growing exponentially. However, the charts are completely irrational, because they start at zero. But there never was a zero. There just weren't tests widely available.
How often do we focus on testing to see what sort of winter illness a person has? Pretty much, if a person is sick with anything and they don't stay home they will spread it. Last October I was livid at a co-worker who came to work 5 days before I was scheduled for surgery with a full blown coughing sneezing cold. We shared an office! If I got her cold, guess what....surgery cancelled. I complained, but nothing happened. Nobody cared or did anything about it. So I went and found an empty office to work in. I did not get her cold. Too bad there isn't a test for stupidity.
Reliable sources say the virus did not come from China necessarily. So, it may have been around for decades undetected. After all, the symptoms are the same as the flu.
It's all a hoax. I'm appalled at my fellow citizens for buying into this hype. At one workplace recently, a regular customer, a full grown woman, said she was afraid to come in because she might get the virus. She had a tight mask on and rubber gloves. She held onto the door frame for moral support. The room was safe and practically empty. This is an example of mass hysteria.
And all these people upset because they can't go out and buy whatever they want. It's so silly, because a lot of low income people can't shop in between paychecks anyhow. Welcome to our world, duh.
Who benefits from shutting down the economy? It's hard for me to understand. But it is clear someone or some group of people have coordinated this panic very well and are manipulating the media and our fears to get us to give up some civil rights and cultural values. Outlawing funerals, horrible. What a horrible way not to honor our dead relatives. Good night.
You make a number of excellent points. Whoever might benefit from this is in complete cahoots with the mainstream media. I suspect that politics is in play here to try to regain their power.
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There was not a single piece of chicken in the store this morning. Not even a back or container of gizzards.
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There was not a single piece of chicken in the store this morning. Not even a back or container of gizzards.
OMG WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN A STORE, ARE YOU MAD? YOU COULD BE INSTANTLY KILLED WITH THAT RISKY SHOPPING PLAN!!!
(fake panic)
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Wow. How did you come across that gem [about the swine flu vaccination and its liability exemption bill]?
I feel soooo oolllld, because I remember it as current events.
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There was not a single piece of chicken in the store this morning. Not even a back or container of gizzards.
Maybe they flew the coop.
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I feel soooo oolllld, because I remember it as current events.
I remember it too. :P
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You are correct. The CDC began hiring quarantine managers in many states a month before the virus was known. High paid managers, like up to $100K per year. Careers are being invested in quarantines... in a country which has never had major quarantines... a month before the virus was even known. So. That tells me that all the hysteria is engineered.
It's not uncommon in Italy for 20,000 people to die of the flu in any flu season. And since November, only about 4500 have died of the virus. So. I rule Italy out as proof of a pandemic.
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In my area, funerals are prohibited. Over 50 at church is prohibited.
There weren't such stringent measures taken during the polio epidemics of the 20th Century! Theaters and swimming pools closed, stuff like that, but not ordinary businesses.
Everyone buys into this mass hysteria, in part because of the way charts show the virus deaths' growing exponentially. However, the charts are completely irrational, because they start at zero. But there never was a zero. There just weren't tests widely available.
Reliable sources say the virus did not come from China necessarily. So, it may have been around for decades undetected. After all, the symptoms are the same as the flu.
I've been asking on Quora what makes people think this virus is "novel". The answer is that "novel" has a technical meaning in virology or maybe biology generally of which I was unaware -- and I used to teach biology! Apparently "novel" means "not previously discovered", "not previously characterized", "not previously recognized as such"...words to that effect. But people have been assuming it's actually new. Maybe it's like patent practice, wherein if something was not publicly known, it can be claimed as novel.
If this virus is not new, then some people may have had specific immunity to it. Apparently antibodies aren't widespread, though, because the virus does not find any antibody to react to in pooled human sera.
A virus doesn't have to be new to cause epidemics. The agent of the aforementioned polio, poliovirus, was ancient. Sanitation had gotten too good, so that while cholera and dysentery were prevented, people were also prevented from getting the early exposure, and hence natural immunity to, poliovirus, so epidemics with signficant numbers of paralytic cases started occurring.
We old and sick types get viral pneumonias. Enough of us die from it that it's considered one of the leading causes of death. The people dying from Covid-19 would likely have gotten some other fatal pneumonia sooner or later. Nobody previously has thought to try to prevent this phenomenon by controlling pneumonia viruses in the general population, even if somewhat effective vaccines for them are developed.
2 years ago at this time of year, I contracted parainfluenza B, an infection that mainly affects babies. I wound up nearly dying, not from the infection, but from overaggressive treatment for it. I think I might've explained how here. Some fraction of cases of Covid-19 will result in stories like that too, just going by the odds in medical treatment.
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… I've been asking on Quora what makes people think this virus is "novel". The answer is that "novel" has a technical meaning in virology or maybe biology generally of which I was unaware -- and I used to teach biology! Apparently "novel" means "not previously discovered", "not previously characterized", "not previously recognized as such"...words to that effect...
I've heard various reports regarding the ''newness'' of this as well. Here's what the CDC has to say:
''A novel coronavirus is a new coronavirus that has not been previously identified. The virus causing coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), is not the same as the coronaviruses that commonly circulate among humans and cause mild illness, like the common cold.''
And ''There are many types of human coronaviruses including some that commonly cause mild upper-respiratory tract illnesses. COVID-19 is a new disease, caused be a novel (or new) coronavirus that has not previously been seen in humans.''
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html)
Supposedly this is a new strain (if that's the word) that recently made the jump from animals to humans.
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I feel soooo oolllld, because I remember it as current events.
Me, too.
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I've heard various reports regarding the ''newness'' of this as well. Here's what the CDC has to say:
''A novel coronavirus is a new coronavirus that has not been previously identified. The virus causing coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), is not the same as the coronaviruses that commonly circulate among humans and cause mild illness, like the common cold.''
And ''There are many types of human coronaviruses including some that commonly cause mild upper-respiratory tract illnesses. COVID-19 is a new disease, caused be a novel (or new) coronavirus that has not previously been seen in humans.''
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html)
Supposedly this is a new strain (if that's the word) that recently made the jump from animals to humans.
Jumped from China.
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I'm wondering how long people are going to agree to be under lockdown. The federal government said 15 days and people went along with it for the greater good. All along there's been dire rumblings this may last months, if not years. Now states are having people stay in well into April.
Many of the small businesses - and even large companies in entire industries like airlines - may go bankrupt and never recover. Perhaps we overindulge in entertainment and eating out, but are we really going to permanently lose a large percent of them?
I'm just wondering what happens if we're still told to just stay home past about mid-April.
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Anniem, thank you for your warm response.
I'm wondering how long people are going to agree to be under lockdown. The federal government said 15 days and people went along with it for the greater good. All along there's been dire rumblings this may last months, if not years. Now states are having people stay in well into April.
Many of the small businesses - and even large companies in entire industries like airlines - may go bankrupt and never recover. Perhaps we overindulge in entertainment and eating out, but are we really going to permanently lose a large percent of them?
I'm just wondering what happens if we're still told to just stay home past about mid-April.
The CDC is hiring high paid quarantine managers and has been since Nov. 15 days is b.s.
Jumped from China.
Anniem experts are now doubting that.
There weren't such stringent measures taken during the polio epidemics of the 20th Century! Theaters and swimming pools closed, stuff like that, but not ordinary businesses.I've been asking on Quora what makes people think this virus is "novel". The answer is that "novel" has a technical meaning in virology or maybe biology generally of which I was unaware -- and I used to teach biology! Apparently "novel" means "not previously discovered", "not previously characterized", "not previously recognized as such"...words to that effect. But people have been assuming it's actually new. Maybe it's like patent practice, wherein if something was not publicly known, it can be claimed as novel.
We old and sick types get viral pneumonias.
Sorry about your near death illness and too aggressive treatment.
I agree that regardless of word meaning, thr word novel is deliberately sensationalistic.
A few days ago I heard that of all the people tested in Korea, 1% had the virus. All of the rest had other illnesses.
Very true.
How often do we focus on testing to see what sort of winter illness a person has? Pretty much, if a person is sick with anything and they don't stay home they will spread it. Last October I was livid at a co-worker who came to work 5 days before I was scheduled for surgery with a full blown coughing sneezing cold. We shared an office! If I got her cold, guess what....surgery cancelled. I complained, but nothing happened. Nobody cared or did anything about it. So I went and found an empty office to work in. I did not get her cold. Too bad there isn't a test for stupidity.
You make a number of excellent points. Whoever might benefit from this is in complete cahoots with the mainstream media. I suspect that politics is in play here to try to regain their power.
How immoral of your coworker and employer. I see it all the time in my workplaces too, even when sick leave is available and stats are ok, allowing the leave. A lot of people suck. Did you reschedule or is the surgery no longer necessary?
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Anniem, thank you for your warm response.
:)
Anniem experts are now doubting that.
There is an exchange student from that area who is here, he is friends with one of the PT techs I've been seeing. He is adamant that it came from the lab. He said he can tell us that, but when he goes back he will no longer be able to speak of it. I don't think they invented it, but it seems reasonable and likely that they modified it. Hard to say for sure.
How immoral of your coworker and employer. I see it all the time in my workplaces too, even when sick leave is available and stats are ok, allowing the leave. A lot of people suck. Did you reschedule or is the surgery no longer necessary?
I did not catch the cold, and my surgery went off as planned. Thank you for asking! :)
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From Old Italy to all my friends in New Italy.
#NewItaly
https://twitter.com/protectheflames/status/1241696164782669824
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From Old Italy to all my friends in New Italy.
#NewItaly
https://twitter.com/protectheflames/status/1241696164782669824
vaffanculo
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I'm wondering how long people are going to agree to be under lockdown. The federal government said 15 days and people went along with it for the greater good. All along there's been dire rumblings this may last months, if not years. Now states are having people stay in well into April.
Many of the small businesses - and even large companies in entire industries like airlines - may go bankrupt and never recover. Perhaps we overindulge in entertainment and eating out, but are we really going to permanently lose a large percent of them?
I'm just wondering what happens if we're still told to just stay home past about mid-April.
That's a very interesting question, I had the same conversation today with somebody. There has to be a tipping point that makes people snap and wonder "what type of life is there" I guess it all depends on how high the case/mortality rate goes in the next month, if it goes really high and everybody knows somebody who affected by it, I think people will take it seriously. But I could also easily see people react to this like they do with gun violence/mass shootings where people think "Yeah it sucks, by what can you do, you gotta live"
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... Anniem experts are now doubting that. ...
How does one become an Anniem expert? Does it require years of training and diligent field work to identify and record one in the wild? Or can I take an online course and receive a certificate? It seems like I may have extra time at home. I may as well do something productive with it
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Supposedly this is a new strain (if that's the word) that recently made the jump from animals to humans.
But we don't' know it hasn't previously arisen, and isn't somewhere else in the mix of coronaviruses colonizing humans. It didn't react with pooled human sera, so immunity to it couldn't be very prevalent, but is not ruled out thereby as existing in the population.
Look at these data (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html#epi-curve) thru March 14, which at this writing is the last date CDC doesn't expect to add to. The incidence peak in the USA passed March 11, before any of these publicized control measures were undertaken!
When the year wraps up, how much effect will this blip have on the total of pneumonia cases or deaths in the USA?
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I'm wondering how long people are going to agree to be under lockdown. The federal government said 15 days and people went along with it for the greater good. All along there's been dire rumblings this may last months, if not years. Now states are having people stay in well into April.
It better not last beyond this week! Once people look at the incidence (not prevalence) data and see it's been on a downward trend since 2 weeks ago, lockdown is done for.
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From Old Italy to all my friends in New Italy.
#NewItaly
https://twitter.com/protectheflames/status/1241696164782669824
Wow, thanks! So they're going up to people who are all alone in a vast space, and making them go home!
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Take my coronavirus, please.
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Why aren’t the homeless dropping by the thousands?
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Why aren’t the homeless dropping by the thousands?
Being out in the sun all day makes sure they get plenty of Vitamin D.
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Being out in the sun all day makes sure they get plenty of Vitamin D.
That might be a little factor, but mostly that the homeless aren't cooped up indoors with anyone. Unless they're "homeless" in a group shelter!
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It could also be the Sterno and hair tonic diets.
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How does one become an Anniem expert? Does it require years of training and diligent field work to identify and record one in the wild? Or can I take an online course and receive a certificate? It seems like I may have extra time at home. I may as well do something productive with it
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Awwwww ... @anniem . Thank you so much. I'm going to print it out and hang it over my desk 😺
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Robert I completely and wholeheartedly agree with you and your opinions in this thread of yours. What a pathetic bunch of shit the whole thing is. I sincerely wish everybody who perpetuates this garbage dies a much worse death than this lousy cold that has the world in its clutches.
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Awwwww ... @anniem . Thank you so much. I'm going to print it out and hang it over my desk 😺
Where the smilers over sized left eyeball will watch your every move. Behave yourself @TigerLily It'll be watching..................
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Where the smilers over sized left eyeball will watch your every move. Behave yourself @TigerLily It'll be watching..................
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That's not creepy at all. But it is nice to know someonething cares. I will be sure to wear something pretty. Keep smiling
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We old and sick types get viral pneumonias. Enough of us die from it that it's considered one of the leading causes of death. The people dying from Covid-19 would likely have gotten some other fatal pneumonia sooner or later. Nobody previously has thought to try to prevent this phenomenon by controlling pneumonia viruses in the general population, even if somewhat effective vaccines for them are developed.
We haven't seen people getting seriously sick in such a short period of time before. Hospitals are used to flu epidemics straining the system but this one appears to be overloading already scarce medical resources. If you've ever been in an ICU or high-dependency unit before you'll see that it's tiny compared to the rest of the hospital. They're expensive and need constant monitoring. All this talk about 'flattening the curve' is about trying to manage the inflow of patients so that people aren't literally dying on the streets. We're talking about people gasping for air, which is a horrifying end for anybody. It's about the general population exercising collective responsibility for the welfare of each other. It might end up with your relative being left to die in agony because they can't be treated.
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So what did they do today?
They changed the measuring stick so the peak disappeared! (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html#epi-curve)
"Note: On March 24, CDC updated the data included in this figure to include estimated illness onset date."
Before that, they were using only known illness onset dates.
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Went to the store today. They are out of nothing.
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Went to the store today. They are out of nothing.
DID THEY MENTION WHEN THEY ARE EXPECTING TO GET MORE IN?
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Mine is still out of everything.
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DID THEY MENTION WHEN THEY ARE EXPECTING TO GET MORE IN?
It will be quite a while, they are on backorder.
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It will be quite a while, they are on backorder.
IF THEY HAVE SOME EXTRA EVERYTHING THEN @juan MAY BE WILLING TO BROKER A DEAL FOR THE NOTHING HE HAS ACCESS TO.
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So what did they do today?
They changed the measuring stick so the peak disappeared! (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html#epi-curve)
"Note: On March 24, CDC updated the data included in this figure to include estimated illness onset date."
Before that, they were using only known illness onset dates.
And they haven't even updated today. They're an hour and a half behind where they usually are, and I'm starting to doubt they'll even update the data today. Is the news too good?
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After 9 PM EDT, and the CDC still hasn't updated the "epidemic curve" for March 25, and therefore still have March 14 within the dates they say they still might add cases to. Could they be hiding something?
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Yes.
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TL, your avatar is looking at me like I am a piece of meat.
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TL, your avatar is looking at me like I am a piece of meat.
The good parts for me. The leftovers go to my wolf
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The good parts for me. The leftovers go to my wolf.
Huh. I left my wolf back on BellGab. He still seems to get a lot of laughs there.
Meanwhile CDC has resumed updating the data, now a day behind. (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html#epi-curve) You now need to scroll down to "COVID-19 cases in the United States by date of illness onset, January 12, 2020, to March 25, 2020, at 4pm ET (n=11,165)*", the anchor seems to leave you at the prevalence bar graph above. As you can see, it still looks like a peak was hit USA-wide on March 13, which was before all these extreme (and in some cases ridiculous) control measures were put in place. I'd still like another day's data or so to tell, but if they stay a day behind, we'll get only 1 more day's data this week, because since they don't update over the weekend, we'll have to wait until Monday to get Friday's.
I'd post the epidemic curve here, but it's dynamically generated, not a static graphic, so just follow the link there yourself.
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Some might find this site of interest. They scrape the data from the states directly.
http://coronavirusapi.com/
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Some might find this site of interest. They scrape the data from the states directly.
http://coronavirusapi.com/
New Italy has only done 3 times the testing yet has 10 times as many citizens as Canada.
New Italy has 2.5 times more cases per million than Canada.
Doing a little fuzzy math I would say the actual cases would be triple the current number if they tested at the Canadian rate.
Start converting those CPAP machines
YOU'RE (NOT I'M) ALL GONNA DIE!
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New Italy has only done 3 times the testing yet has 10 times as many citizens as Canada.
New Italy has 2.5 times more cases per million than Canada.
Doing a little fuzzy math I would say the actual cases would be triple the current number if they tested at the Canadian rate.
Start converting those CPAP machines
YOU'RE (NOT I'M) ALL GONNA DIE!
You might not die but you'll be missing that cheap chicken when all are dead here.
$65 CAD? That's over three Brendas man!
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You might not die but you'll be missing that cheap chicken when all are dead here.
$65 CAD? That's over three Brendas man!
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THIS IS MY VIETNAM!
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THIS IS MY VIETNAM!
Well you'll always have good old SunnyD!
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Mine is still out of everything.
I am trying to limit my trips to once a week (tops) they been pretty good with no price gouging and having someone in the front of the store limiting people coming in. I lucked out on TP, paper towels and kleenex. I normally don't eat canned food/frozen foods as I try to eat as fresh and healthy as possible, and those foods seem to be what is bought up most which I would probably would have bought under these circumstances. The only regular food that I normally buy that wasn't in the last time I got there was rice.
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Meet the new bs, same as the old bs. July 2009...
Swine flu: 65,000 deaths is UK’s worst case scenario
Minimum of 3,100 deaths expected, says Britain's chief medical officer, as official toll reaches 29
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jul/16/swine-flu-cases-rise-britain (https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jul/16/swine-flu-cases-rise-britain)
January 2010,Death toll was....360.
2009/10 H1N1 killed 18000 Americans. Hospitalized 300k. Infected 60,000,000. And what did our Noble savior Obama and his media have us do? Talk about how cool Obama’s NCAA basketball picks were.
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Huh. I left my wolf back on BellGab. He still seems to get a lot of laughs there.
Meanwhile CDC has resumed updating the data, now a day behind. (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html#epi-curve) You now need to scroll down to "COVID-19 cases in the United States by date of illness onset, January 12, 2020, to March 25, 2020, at 4pm ET (n=11,165)*", the anchor seems to leave you at the prevalence bar graph above. As you can see, it still looks like a peak was hit USA-wide on March 13, which was before all these extreme (and in some cases ridiculous) control measures were put in place. I'd still like another day's data or so to tell, but if they stay a day behind, we'll get only 1 more day's data this week, because since they don't update over the weekend, we'll have to wait until Monday to get Friday's.
I'd post the epidemic curve here, but it's dynamically generated, not a static graphic, so just follow the link there yourself.
@Robert You should bring him over here. He's too good for those losers
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Meet the new bs, same as the old bs. July 2009...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jul/16/swine-flu-cases-rise-britain (https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jul/16/swine-flu-cases-rise-britain)
January 2010,Death toll was....360.
2009/10 H1N1 killed 18000 Americans. Hospitalized 300k. Infected 60,000,000. And what did our Noble savior Obama and his media have us do? Talk about how cool Obama’s NCAA basketball picks were.
RIGHT
And I do so like your avatar. :)
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USA incidence managed to hit a new high on March 15, so no peak yet.
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USA incidence managed to hit a new high on March 15, so no peak yet.
Of course this is tested, not necessarily that same as infected at any given time.
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https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1243568342599962625
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https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1243568342599962625
Interesting. Where'd she get the music?
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The good parts for me. The leftovers go to my wolf
Weeeeeellll. If I give up my good parts, will you give me a piece?
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This could be a game changer. A point of service test that gives results in 5 minutes.
https://abbott.mediaroom.com/2020-03-27-Abbott-Launches-Molecular-Point-of-Care-Test-to-Detect-Novel-Coronavirus-in-as-Little-as-Five-Minutes
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This could be a game changer.
Is this a game to you?
I'M ALL GONNA DIE!
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Is this a game to you?
I'M ALL GONNA DIE!
NO! NO DIE BART! DO NOT! NO!
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NO! NO DIE BART! DO NOT! NO!
He’s holding on to see if the Flyers win the cup.
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This could be a game changer. A point of service test that gives results in 5 minutes.
https://abbott.mediaroom.com/2020-03-27-Abbott-Launches-Molecular-Point-of-Care-Test-to-Detect-Novel-Coronavirus-in-as-Little-as-Five-Minutes
Wow, in vitro nucleic acid sequence amplification in minutes without the temperature cycling required by PCR since its unveiling in 1986 at a meeting I attended in DC! All the linked literature says is that it uses enzymes instead of temperature changes. Duh, it always needed enzymes! I'd like to know how this works -- specifically how it switches from elongation of one strand to separation and use of that as a template for the next. It also uses a neat linked fluorescent probe.
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Ready for the baby boom of late '20, early '21?
The parents of babies born before year end will get the tax breaks starting 2020, the parents of the babies born just after the first of the year won't
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This song should be played daily during the lockdown ... WARNING Explicit language
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They keep adding case onsets outside the look-back window on the graph...but it still shows that plateau in the second half of March.
I've heard said that Covid-19 is not just viral pneumonia, but I haven't heard anyone say what other pathologies it causes. However, last night on Ben Shapiro's program they had on a doctor or nurse who said the pneumonias she was seeing from it were worse than most she's seen in terms of its effects on patients who were otherwise similarly disposed.
I also get hints that any unidentified pneumonia these days is presumed to be a Covid-19 case. If that's true and we continue in our current trend in the USA, expect 2020 to have a lower than average total of pneumonia cases, and pneumonia deaths.
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I also get hints that any unidentified pneumonia these days is presumed to be a Covid-19 case.
I got that idea a few days ago when a WFMU DJ I've liked for almost 40 years, Bill Kelly, was out sick and said to have been "presumed" to have this virus. Now I get confirmation of this phenomenon:
Read the headline of this piece (https://reason.com/2020/04/08/charlotte-figi-who-showed-americans-the-value-of-medical-marijuana-dies-of-covid-19-at-age-13). Then read the piece itself. This kid's had a rare and severe seizure disorder all her life. Then she and her family get a respiratory illness for a month. She's then treated as presumed to have Covid-19. (As far as I can tell, that means she was treated for viral pneumonia.) She then died of seizures. She and the rest of the family tested negative (presumably by RNA marker sequences) for Covid-19. A single false negative I could easily believe, but it strains credulity that the entire family would be false negatives.
It's things like this that make it hard to take seriously, or even size up, Covid-19 as a public health threat. It's circular. You say this virus strain is widespread and causing serious illness because when you see a viral pneumonia you lay it to this virus. Then you point and say, look, it's all over the place!
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Weeeeeellll. If I give up my good parts, will you give me a piece?
Your "parts" were made in China there Sport!
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Well you'll always have good old SunnyD!
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@Walks_At_Night Where are you getting these from? That is just not happening and if it is, somewhere you seem to be getting a great deal of joy from it.
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@Walks_At_Night Where are you getting these from? That is just not happening and if it is, somewhere you seem to be getting a great deal of joy from it.
Just type in "expensive Canadian food" and do an image search.
Why would I get any joy on what you pay for Tostito's?
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Don't forget the Spring Water to wash it down with..................
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Just type in "expensive Canadian food" and do an image search.
Why would I get any joy on what you pay for Tostito's?
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Stock guy works the overnight shift and has a blast changing prices for his pictures.
Genius plan!
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Just type in "expensive Canadian food" and do an image search.
Why would I get any joy on what you pay for Tostito's?
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So you're saying that I! am a bag of Tostitos? ???
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So you're saying that I! am a bag of Tostitos? ???
How did you get that out of what I said? Just go clean up the saw dust from your mitre saw and don't worry about it..................
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How did you get that out of what I said? Just go clean up the saw dust from your mitre saw and don't worry about it..................
If I was a bag of Tostitos I'd tell you to get that chip off your shoulder! ;D
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A week ago I had a heart attack (my 2nd; 1st was 2006), got a helicopter ride to Morristown, and in the cath lab after I was stented I asked a tech about differentiating Covid-19 disease from viral pneumonias generally. He said that radiologically Covid-19 looked very different from any pneumonias; something about where fluid would accumulate that made it different from either pneumonia or pleurisy.
Everything else I see, though, says it's a type of pneumonia, and from what I can tell, Covid-19 is being presumed to be the cause of all viral pneumonias now. There's an incentive in terms of Medicare payment for them to presume so.
A friend's living in a county in NE Penna. that's had 2 Covid-2 fatalities. One of them was the friend's exterminator's friend, 81 YO with multiple medical problems. He fell down the stairs and broke his neck. They tested his corpse, found Covid-19 RNA sequences, and called it a Covid-19 death, notwithstanding that he'd had no respiratory signs or symptoms.
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A week ago I had a heart attack (my 2nd; 1st was 2006), got a helicopter ride to Morristown, and in the cath lab after I was stented I asked a tech about differentiating Covid-19 disease from viral pneumonias generally. He said that radiologically Covid-19 looked very different from any pneumonias; something about where fluid would accumulate that made it different from either pneumonia or pleurisy.
Everything else I see, though, says it's a type of pneumonia, and from what I can tell, Covid-19 is being presumed to be the cause of all viral pneumonias now. There's an incentive in terms of Medicare payment for them to presume so.
A friend's living in a county in NE Penna. that's had 2 Covid-2 fatalities. One of them was the friend's exterminator's friend, 81 YO with multiple medical problems. He fell down the stairs and broke his neck. They tested his corpse, found Covid-19 RNA sequences, and called it a Covid-19 death, notwithstanding that he'd had no respiratory signs or symptoms.
That is the sort of thing that makes me think I don't know what is going on.
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A week ago I had a heart attack
Shit, Rob.
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Shit, Rob.
Well, what do you expect, just look at my "Santa Claus" picture. You know the obese are subject to such things.
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Well, what do you expect, just look at my "Santa Claus" picture. You know the obese are subject to such things.
oh, so I'm the asshole here?
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That line from Arsenic and Old Lace has never been more relevant:
He wouldn't have died of pneumonia if I hadn't shot him!
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My MY!
https://abc7.com/amp/kester-elementary-lausd-distance-learning-in-person/10304893/ (https://abc7.com/amp/kester-elementary-lausd-distance-learning-in-person/10304893/)