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Rikki Gins Lounge => Random Topics => Topic started by: Adam Baum on August 27, 2018, 01:47:57 PM
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I'll kick it off. I think he should, no question. Pope Francis is a Jesuit from South America, and they are well known for being far-left and even communistic activists. He is taking the Church down a dangerous and destructive path. His covering up of sex scandals in the Church is reprehensible.
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I'll kick it off. I think he should, no question. Pope Francis is a Jesuit from South America, and they are well known for being far-left and even communistic activists. He is taking the Church down a dangerous and destructive path. His covering up of sex scandals in the Church is reprehensible.
How is his cover up any worse than any pope since at least the 1960’s?
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He could be replaced by John McCain, who I learned today is in the running for Saint.
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How is his cover up any worse than any pope since at least the 1960’s?
True. I've done extensive studies of the earliest days of the Church just to learn how things became the way they are. This problem goes all the way back to the beginnings and has continued ever since. I'm a former Benedictine monk and have some first hand knowledge of what goes on. I also left the Church when I left the religious life, and this was one of the reasons.
My former monastery: glastonburyabbey.org
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He could be replaced by John McCain, who I learned today is in the running for Saint.
He'll not get my vote!
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Benedict sanctioned some and Francis lifted the sanctions.
http://stream.org/major-archbishop-pope-francis-covered-sex-abuse-must-resign/
John Zmirak says the church is run by a couple of homosexual cabals - one which supports man/boy love and one which opposes it.
I’m not Roman Catholic, but I am concerned about this.
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Benedict sanctioned some and Francis lifted the sanctions.
http://stream.org/major-archbishop-pope-francis-covered-sex-abuse-must-resign/
John Zmirak says the church is run by a couple of homosexual cabals - one which supports man/boy love and one which opposes it.
I’m not Roman Catholic, but I am concerned about this.
I believe it. Revoking the vow of chastity won't fix it either. The rot goes all the way to top of the Vatican.
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Benedict sanctioned some and Francis lifted the sanctions.
http://stream.org/major-archbishop-pope-francis-covered-sex-abuse-must-resign/
John Zmirak says the church is run by a couple of homosexual cabals - one which supports man/boy love and one which opposes it.
I’m not Roman Catholic, but I am concerned about this.
Your name is juan. Do your parents know you’re not Roman Catholic?
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Your name is juan. Do your parents know you’re not Roman Catholic?
My great grandfather was a drunk who drank up the collection plate. He was asked to go elsewhere and joined the Episcopal church where drinking is required.
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My great grandfather was a drunk who drank up the collection plate. He was asked to go elsewhere and joined the Episcopal church where drinking is required.
That was just a joke.
As the oldest male in my family, I was expected to be a priest. I revolted after graduating from Catholic school in the 8th grade. Today I am a recovering Catholic. I choose not be Catholic one day at a time. Most of my family still is. I have the easy time during family reunions. I have one cousin that became a mormon and married a buddhist. She usally draws the biggest firestorm.
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He'll not get my vote!
What about your white smoke?
Bad papal humor. Sorry.
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My great grandfather was a drunk who drank up the collection plate. He was asked to go elsewhere and joined the Episcopal church where drinking is required.
I thought the Knights of Columbus was just a front organization for Alcoholics United to Drink More.
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That was just a joke.
As the oldest male in my family, I was expected to be a priest. I revolted after graduating from Catholic school in the 8th grade. Today I am a recovering Catholic. I choose not be Catholic one day at a time. Most of my family still is. I have the easy time during family reunions. I have one cousin that became a mormon and married a buddhist. She usally draws the biggest firestorm.
Recovering is easy, especially given recent revelations.
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It's time for the churches to lose an automatic tax-exempt status.
Have them abide by the law, show their financials and perform community service to get credits.
The Catholic Church in particular should be investigated for RICO Act violations with all the hiding of pedophiles in their organization.
Can't demands for the return of the wanted priests hiding in churches around the world be tied-in to their ability to do business? In the guitar world, there are companies violating patents overseas who cannot freely do business in the States. How can the church be allowed to continue?
The politicized DOJ. should be after pedophiles, oh yeah, there'd be a good number of Democrat operatives under investigation too.
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As the oldest male in my family, I was expected to be a priest.
WTF? :o :o :o
Well, at least you became a Cubs fan. You aren't in this photo are you?
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WTF? :o :o :o
Well, at least you became a Cubs fan. You aren't in this photo are you?
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Nah. But he's in this one!
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I'll kick it off. I think he should, no question. Pope Francis is a Jesuit from South America, and they are well known for being far-left and even communistic activists. He is taking the Church down a dangerous and destructive path. His covering up of sex scandals in the Church is reprehensible.
Francis might be a Jesuit, but he is far from a leftist. Research his role during the Dirty War in Argentina, and his vocal support of invading the Falklands.
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Francis might be a Jesuit, but he is far from a leftist. Research his role during the Dirty War in Argentina, and his vocal support of invading the Falklands.
Then he differs from his fellow Jevvies; but those in the Catholic clergy are not supposed to be involved in political matters. But the Jesuits are notorious for doing it anyway, no matter which side they take.
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My former monastery: glastonburyabbey.org
Richard Syrett interviewed a former nun from there on his Conspiracy Unlimited podcast. I just listened to that this morning. Wicked stuff.
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Richard Syrett interviewed a former nun from there on his Conspiracy Unlimited podcast. I just listened to that this morning. Wicked stuff.
Must be a different place. We had no nuns, darn the luck.
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Must be a different place. We had no nuns, darn the luck.
I didn't either. :-\
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I didn't either. :-\
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We were visited once by a group of Franciscan nuns, one of which was a stone babe. Those of us who were heterosexual paid much attention to her and lusted in our hearts. I always wondered if she continued that path. Gorgeous girl next door type.
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The poop?
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This Catholic Church scandal is like Jerry Sandusky x1000.
And the people above him either died or resigned.
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As the oldest male in my family, I was expected to be a priest.
That's some old school catholic family shit. My parents used to make a lot of jokes about me becoming a priest, like consistently for years. Almost to the point where it was like they wanted me to. Which I have no idea what that was even about as neither of them are exceptionally religious or even go to mass ever, and I was the only male heir they had.
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That's some old school catholic family shit. My parents used to make a lot of jokes about me becoming a priest, like consistently for years. Almost to the point where it was like they wanted me to. Which I have no idea what that was even about as neither of them are exceptionally religious or even go to mass ever, and I was the only male heir they had.
One of my fellow monks' mother had two sons and kept a chalice on a shelf in plain view to make her expectations known. She was old school Portuguese and reckoned that a priest son would be her ticket to Heaven. Lots of pressure on the boys.
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True. I've done extensive studies of the earliest days of the Church just to learn how things became the way they are. This problem goes all the way back to the beginnings and has continued ever since. I'm a former Benedictine monk and have some first hand knowledge of what goes on. I also left the Church when I left the religious life, and this was one of the reasons.
My former monastery: glastonburyabbey.org
My Father talked about that in 1930s regional Priests gathering in Iowa and bringing with them alter boys. They all knew what was "really" going on.
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That was just a joke.
As the oldest male in my family, I was expected to be a priest. I revolted after graduating from Catholic school in the 8th grade. Today I am a recovering Catholic. I choose not be Catholic one day at a time. Most of my family still is. I have the easy time during family reunions. I have one cousin that became a mormon and married a buddhist. She usally draws the biggest firestorm.
All relgions are wacky.. they fill our survial as "tribe" need to believe..
Friendly and protective aliens that won't let us destroy ourselves with Nukes.. or the Trekkies that learn their morals from Star Trek... are those wacky?
Pick your poison..
its in our DNA
"I wanta believe"
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I thought the Knights of Columbus was just a front organization for Alcoholics United to Drink More.
Know your joking .. but the Knights of Colimbus do a lot of community beneficial work..
Believes and supports of the same "institutions" that benifit society are not always mutually exclusive or inclusive.
I just believe in yoko and me...and goof ball :)
Love ALL
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It's time for the churches to lose an automatic tax-exempt status.
Have them abide by the law, show their financials and perform community service to get credits.
The Catholic Church in particular should be investigated for RICO Act violations with all the hiding of pedophiles in their organization.
Can't demands for the return of the wanted priests hiding in churches around the world be tied-in to their ability to do business? In the guitar world, there are companies violating patents overseas who cannot freely do business in the States. How can the church be allowed to continue?
The politicized DOJ. should be after pedophiles, oh yeah, there'd be a good number of Democrat operatives under investigation too.
Blah blah blah.. our country, democracy and western civilizations are "mostly" based on Judeo-Christian values and morals.. These foundational institutions are being rejected and we are witnessing the return of tribalism naïvety.
Hows that going?
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Francis might be a Jesuit, but he is far from a leftist. Research his role during the Dirty War in Argentina, and his vocal support of invading the Falklands.
Jesuits are complicated. They teach personnel choice and free will.
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Then he differs from his fellow Jevvies; but those in the Catholic clergy are not supposed to be involved in political matters. But the Jesuits are notorious for doing it anyway, no matter which side they take.
Roswells or Dittos ;)
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True. I've done extensive studies of the earliest days of the Church just to learn how things became the way they are. This problem goes all the way back to the beginnings and has continued ever since. I'm a former Benedictine monk and have some first hand knowledge of what goes on. I also left the Church when I left the religious life, and this was one of the reasons.
My former monastery: glastonburyabbey.org
Do you know of any available academic researched information/books about the early Catholic Church was a safe haven for homosexual men?
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Do you know of any available academic researched information/books about the early Catholic Church was a safe haven for homosexual men?
Not specifically, no. But an open minded study of the biographies of the early Church fathers suggests it. The misogynistic policies and doctrines (some of which still survive e.g. women may not be ordained as priests) suggests it. Bear in mind that homosexual Catholic clergy are bound by the same rules of celibacy as heterosexuals. One is forbidden to diddle or sodomize young boys or men just as heterosexual clerics are forbidden to have relations with women. In my monastic community there were homosexuals. Most remained celibate, but some did not and were discharged. Consider the attractiveness that a community of men only would have for homosexual men. There would be temptation for one so oriented. I did not care about anyone's orientation, only that they obey the rules of celibacy required of us all. And those rules were more than rules, they were sacred vows.
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Not specifically, no. But an open minded study of the biographies of the early Church fathers suggests it. The misogynistic policies and doctrines (some of which still survive e.g. women may not be ordained as priests) suggests it. Bear in mind that homosexual Catholic clergy are bound by the same rules of celibacy as heterosexuals. One is forbidden to diddle or sodomize young boys or men just as heterosexual clerics are forbidden to have relations with women. In my monastic community there were homosexuals. Most remained celibate, but some did not and were discharged. Consider the attractiveness that a community of men only would have for homosexual men. There would be temptation for one so oriented. I did not care about anyone's orientation, only that they obey the rules of celibacy required of us all. And those rules were more than rules, they were sacred vows.
You never hear of this sort of thing with the Greek Orthodox lot, and the Greeks practically invented boy-buggering.
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You never hear of this sort of thing with the Greek Orthodox lot, and the Greeks practically invented boy-buggering.
Aye, 'tis true, but because you don't hear of it doesn't mean it's non existent. I suspect it goes on to one degree or another in all faiths and sects.
And I still say you look like one of the Moody Blues!
The Spartans were well known to be a gay lot, but you wouldn't want to have a go with them. Superb soldiers.
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You never hear of this sort of thing with the Greek Orthodox lot, and the Greeks practically invented boy-buggering.
The Greek Orthodox Church allows married men to become priests.
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You never hear of this sort of thing with the Greek Orthodox lot, and the Greeks practically invented boy-buggering.
They were simply the first to put it in writing.
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The Greek Orthodox Church allows married men to become priests.
True, but allowing Catholic priests to marry would not solve the pedophilia problem. I'm all for allowing priests to marry. The celibacy rule is outdated and limits the number of good men who would otherwise have a priestly vocation. The Church has a big problem attracting men to become priests under present conditions. Toward the end of my tenure as a Benedictine monk I acquired a girlfriend; a lovely young lady from Miami. I assure you that hastened my departure. We eventually broke up and I married another to whom I've been Married to for 47 years.
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I assure you that hastened my departure. We eventually broke up and I married another to whom I've been Married to for 47 years.
WOW! That's a lifetime! Congratulations.
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Toward the end of my tenure as a Benedictine monk I acquired a girlfriend;
It would be towards the end, I guess. Reports of you turning up at the local nightclub dressed in your monk's habit must have been hard to keep from the abbot.
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WOW! That's a lifetime! Congratulations.
Thank you. Sadly, a marriage that long lasting seems to be a rarity in our society nowadays.
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It would be towards the end, I guess. Reports of you turning up at the local nightclub dressed in your monk's habit must have been hard to keep from the abbot.
It certainly attracted his notice, and I was forced to make a life decision. She was far more attractive than the abbot anyway.
My monastery was named Glastonbury after the famous abbey in Merrie Olde Englande. We even received a cutting of the Glastonbury thorn tree to plant on our grounds.
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True, but allowing Catholic priests to marry would not solve the pedophilia problem. I'm all for allowing priests to marry. The celibacy rule is outdated and limits the number of good men who would otherwise have a priestly vocation. The Church has a big problem attracting men to become priests under present conditions. Toward the end of my tenure as a Benedictine monk I acquired a girlfriend; a lovely young lady from Miami. I assure you that hastened my departure. We eventually broke up and I married another to whom I've been Married to for 47 years.
What percentage of pedophiles are married men?
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What percentage of pedophiles are married men?
Quien sabe? Not sure that stats on that are kept.
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It certainly attracted his notice, and I was forced to make a life decision. She was far more attractive than the abbot anyway.
My monastery was named Glastonbury after the famous abbey in Merrie Olde Englande. We even received a cutting of the Glastonbury thorn tree to plant on our grounds.
These days, if you mention Glastonbury they think of the music festival. O tempora, o mores!
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These days, if you mention Glastonbury they think of the music festival. O tempora, o mores!
Cicero was right. Such names used to evoke a much different image. It's my belief that the human race is in decline and on track for a soon to come extinction. Some call it pessimism, but I call it realism.
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Should the bear shit in the woods?
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Should the bear shit in the woods?
Better than on the porch of infamy.