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Title: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on September 24, 2018, 07:42:49 PM
How does your garden grow?  A couple of the fellows and I were talking about oranges a little while ago and it came to me that we could use a gardening thread around here.  We can discuss our gardens, talk about plants in general, and trees too.  We could also upload photos of our vegetables, fruits and flowers.  (And pests.  Peter W. displayed some nice snail pics on the old board.)  Might be fun, and for starters, I spotted a baby Praying Mantis the other day.  Fascinating creatures.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantis   
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: pate on September 25, 2018, 05:45:26 AM
I bet it was a Male mantis, they don't get very big.  It's pretty late in the season for baby manti.  It is getting close to egg sack laying/formation time so if your lil' fella "gets lucky" it'll be his head...

I bought five mantis egg sacks for my garden this spring, I haven't seen any running around in months.  I even captured a female and released her a few weeks ago, same story.  I think the birds are eating them.

This year's container garden: Tomatos, squash, cucumbers (complete failure again), and peppers.

I also dug up all the crabgrass and seeded with bentgrass (putting green grass) it is coming in nicely where the dogs are allowing it.  Most of the lawn is Bermuda grass which I actually like because the dogs can't seem to kill it, and I can cut it really low (middle setting on a reel mower, maybe 1/2 to 3/4 inch).  The bentgrass I overseeded into the Bermuda is slowly coming up.

That bentgrass seed is fairly expensive, I think, 1 lb cost about 16 bucks.  1lb/1000 sqft, lucky I have a tiny backyard.  30 ft by maybe 60-80 ft.  Nice thing about the bentgrass seed I got is that it sprouts in about 3-4 days (or has for me in the three sections I have seeded since mid-August).  Takes a lot of water though.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on September 25, 2018, 08:02:14 PM
Any of you have a good organic cure for flea beetles?  I brought in some top soil from a local landscaping company a couple of years ago, and I have been dealing with those little bastards ever since.  I've kept them in check by spraying with  pyrethrins, but the less spraying, the better.  Once winter hits, I plan to take a weed burner and torch the hell out of my little garden plot.  I don't know if that will do any good, but the thought of burning the little bastards unborn makes me happy.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: GravitySucks on September 25, 2018, 08:06:45 PM
Any of you have a good organic cure for flea beetles?  I brought in some top soil from a local landscaping company a couple of years ago, and I have been dealing with those little bastards ever since.  I've kept them in check by spraying with  pyrethrins, but the less spraying, the better.  Once winter hits, I plan to take a weed burner and torch the hell out of my little garden plot.  I don't know if that will do any good, but the thought of burning the little bastards unborn makes me happy.

Maybe diatomaceous earth?
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: ShayP on September 25, 2018, 08:20:09 PM
Maybe diatomaceous earth?

Gravity is on to something.  I can't speak from personal experience because I do not have a green thumb.  However, my cousin has gardens of all varieties and swears by the stuff.  It's definitely worth a shot.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on September 25, 2018, 08:24:00 PM
Any of you have a good organic cure for flea beetles?  I brought in some top soil from a local landscaping company a couple of years ago, and I have been dealing with those little bastards ever since.  I've kept them in check by spraying with  pyrethrins, but the less spraying, the better.  Once winter hits, I plan to take a weed burner and torch the hell out of my little garden plot.  I don't know if that will do any good, but the thought of burning the little bastards unborn makes me happy.

If you have the room, planting these next year might help. Wiki:
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Flea beetles can be deterred by a number of different companion plants, that can be grown intercropped in a garden to benefit neighboring plants. For example, thyme, catnip, and other kinds of mint cover up the scent of nearby plants.
Radishes, on the other hand, can be grown as a trap crop, luring the flea beetles away from more important crops. Since the root isn't harmed by the beetles, they remain useful, themselves.  A number of natural predators can be employed to keep flea beetles in check, including two that parasitize it: Braconid wasps and tachinid flies. In both cases, the larval stage feeds on the flea beetle, while the adults feed on nectar and pollen; some species are even important pollinators.
To encourage Braconid wasps and Tachinid flies, some types of flowers can be planted between crops: umbels such as caraway, herb fennel, coriander and Ammi majus, and simple open flowers such as California poppies and pot marigolds, as well as yarrows.
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Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on September 25, 2018, 08:25:48 PM
Gravity is on to something.  I can't speak from personal experience because I do not have a green thumb.  However, my cousin has gardens of all varieties and swears by the stuff.  It's definitely worth a shot.
Wear a mask and watch breathing during application of such!

The debate:
I was outta town for a month and got yuuge number of various peppers. Apparently we had rain and sun lots. But most ripe to red: japs, cerrano, and bananna. Still good? Hotter or less due to color? Ways to use them?

Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: GravitySucks on September 25, 2018, 08:29:22 PM
Wear a mask and watch breathing during application of such!

The debate:
I was outta town for a month and got yuuge number of various peppers. Apparently we had rain and sun lots. But most ripe to red: japs, cerrano, and bananna. Still good? Hotter or less due to color? Ways to use them?

Generally just a tad sweeter if they turn red. I don’t think they get hotter.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on September 25, 2018, 08:33:51 PM
I bet it was a Male mantis, they don't get very big.  It's pretty late in the season for baby manti.  It is getting close to egg sack laying/formation time so if your lil' fella "gets lucky" it'll be his head...

I bought five mantis egg sacks for my garden this spring, I haven't seen any running around in months.  I even captured a female and released her a few weeks ago, same story.  I think the birds are eating them.

This year's container garden: Tomatos, squash, cucumbers (complete failure again), and peppers.

I also dug up all the crabgrass and seeded with bentgrass (putting green grass) it is coming in nicely where the dogs are allowing it.  Most of the lawn is Bermuda grass which I actually like because the dogs can't seem to kill it, and I can cut it really low (middle setting on a reel mower, maybe 1/2 to 3/4 inch).  The bentgrass I overseeded into the Bermuda is slowly coming up.

That bentgrass seed is fairly expensive, I think, 1 lb cost about 16 bucks.  1lb/1000 sqft, lucky I have a tiny backyard.  30 ft by maybe 60-80 ft.  Nice thing about the bentgrass seed I got is that it sprouts in about 3-4 days (or has for me in the three sections I have seeded since mid-August).  Takes a lot of water though.

I used to work at a place where, for some reason, full grown mantises would cling to the inside walls.  Everyonce in awhile I would spot one and put it in a small cardboard box.  Then, after I got home, I would take it outside and put it in my potted tomato plants.  It would usually hang around for a day or two before moving on to some other place.  It was kind of funny because I'd be at work, doing this and that, and someone would come up to me all at once with a mantis.  Ha, I'd have to stop what I was doing and go hunt down a cardboard box. 
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on September 25, 2018, 10:32:03 PM
Thanks for the advice!  May you never have to deal with these little bastards. 
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on September 26, 2018, 08:00:46 PM
Thanks for the advice!  May you never have to deal with these little bastards.

You bet.  I hope that things work out for you next spring.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Walks_At_Night on September 26, 2018, 08:06:11 PM
Tomorrow I lay sod in my front yard.   80% chance of rain.  I'm gonna be a Mud Puppy!
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on September 26, 2018, 08:10:12 PM
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Here is a pic of my ash tree out back, looking up through it to the top.  That poor old tree was badly overgrown so I had a tree service prune it back a ways.  They got rid of a lot of dead limbs and shaped it up real nice.  I get more sunlight coming through it now which is what I wanted.  If you look close, you can spot a circle of cable that was installed to hold back any heavy branches that might break during a storm.  Hopefully it will keep some of them from falling onto the house.  A couple of weeks ago the leaves were mostly green but now they are turning yellow real fast.   
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Kingfish on September 26, 2018, 08:15:45 PM
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Here is a pic of my ash tree out back, looking up through it to the top.  That poor old tree was badly overgrown so I had a tree service prune it back a ways.  They got rid of a lot of dead limbs and shaped it up real nice.  I get more sunlight coming through it now which is what I wanted.  If you look close, you can spot a circle of cable that was installed to hold back any heavy branches that might break during a storm.  Hopefully it will keep some of them from falling onto the house.  A couple of weeks ago the leaves were mostly green but now they are turning yellow real fast.

You got ash borers in your area?
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on September 26, 2018, 08:21:32 PM
You got ash borers in your area?

No. Thankfully, they haven't made it to my state yet.  I did however use the trunk of the tree for a soccer goal post.  I didn't think I was hitting it so hard, but after awhile a large section of bark started to peel off.  Needless to say, I quit hitting it with the soccer ball. 
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: GravitySucks on September 26, 2018, 08:29:54 PM
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Here is a pic of my ash tree out back, looking up through it to the top.  That poor old tree was badly overgrown so I had a tree service prune it back a ways.  They got rid of a lot of dead limbs and shaped it up real nice.  I get more sunlight coming through it now which is what I wanted.  If you look close, you can spot a circle of cable that was installed to hold back any heavy branches that might break during a storm.  Hopefully it will keep some of them from falling onto the house.  A couple of weeks ago the leaves were mostly green but now they are turning yellow real fast.

I have an Arizona Ash in my backyard that is huge. I planted it in 1994 so I don’t know how much longer it will survive. They tell me 20 years down here is an average. I will try to measure the circumference of the trunk this week. I have had to remove limbs like that a few times. It sure keeps down my AC costs in the summer since my backyard faces to the south. I have a Bradford Pear next to it that is starting to give up the ghost. I need to get it taken out.

I also have two huge Crape Myrtles along with several smaller ones.

Here is a picture of the big Crape Myrtle in the front.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on September 26, 2018, 08:38:57 PM
I have an Arizona Ash in my backyard that is huge. I planted it in 1994 so I don’t know how much longer it will survive. They tell me 20 years down here is an average. I will try to measure the circumference of the trunk this week. I have had to remove limbs like that a few times. It sure keeps down my AC costs in the summer since my backyard faces to the south. I have a Bradford Pear next to it that is starting to give up the ghost. I need to get it taken out.

I also have two huge Crape Myrtles along with several smaller ones.

Here is a picture of the big Crape Myrtle in the front.

Nice.  Do you get a lot of butterflies and hummingbirds?  It seem like they would be attracted to that color.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: GravitySucks on September 26, 2018, 08:45:08 PM
Nice.  Do you get a lot of butterflies and hummingbirds?  It seem like they would be attracted to that color.

I haven’t seen hummingbirds but butterflies and bees seem to go to town. I have had an owl nest in the front a couple of different times as well. Not every year.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on September 26, 2018, 08:55:51 PM
I have an Arizona Ash in my backyard that is huge. I planted it in 1994 so I don’t know how much longer it will survive. They tell me 20 years down here is an average. I will try to measure the circumference of the trunk this week. I have had to remove limbs like that a few times. It sure keeps down my AC costs in the summer since my backyard faces to the south. I have a Bradford Pear next to it that is starting to give up the ghost. I need to get it taken out.

I also have two huge Crape Myrtles along with several smaller ones.

Here is a picture of the big Crape Myrtle in the front.

That's beautiful.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on September 26, 2018, 09:01:52 PM
I have an Arizona Ash in my backyard that is huge. I planted it in 1994 so I don’t know how much longer it will survive. They tell me 20 years down here is an average. I will try to measure the circumference of the trunk this week. I have had to remove limbs like that a few times. It sure keeps down my AC costs in the summer since my backyard faces to the south. I have a Bradford Pear next to it that is starting to give up the ghost. I need to get it taken out.

I also have two huge Crape Myrtles along with several smaller ones.

Here is a picture of the big Crape Myrtle in the front.
Don't worry GS, the next storm will take out your Bradford Pear. It is funny, like clockwork, how neighborhoods have them all start failing at same time cause builders put them in at same time. You.can extend life a bit with good pruning but they are short term but folks like em cause quick growing, cheap, n nice blooms.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Chocolate coated jackboot on September 27, 2018, 08:02:31 AM
Crimson sweet watermelon, Leek, 2 rows onion(tops already dead, waiting to be dug up
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This years Florida-weaved Mortgage lifter tomatoes and next year's Leek seeds(the big alien looking puffy ball)
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Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on September 28, 2018, 11:20:41 PM
Crimson sweet watermelon, Leek, 2 rows onion(tops already dead, waiting to be dug up
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This years Florida-weaved Mortgage lifter tomatoes and next year's Leek seeds(the big alien looking puffy ball)
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Yum, Chocolate.  I wish you were my next door neighbor so that you could slip me a couple of those freshly dug up onions. 
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on October 02, 2018, 07:43:56 PM
Here is a flower postcard.  Does anybody know what kind of flower it is?

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Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: pate on October 02, 2018, 07:50:01 PM
Here is a flower postcard.  Does anybody know what kind of flower it is?

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I believe that is a variety of Columbine.  State flower of Colorado I believe.  I have some purple/pink ones growing here and there...
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: GravitySucks on October 02, 2018, 07:58:09 PM
I believe that is a variety of Columbine.  State flower of Colorado I believe.  I have some purple/pink ones growing here and there...

I believe you are correct Pate. A 5 pointed star with a bloom inside.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: pate on October 02, 2018, 08:05:01 PM
I believe you are correct Pate. A 5 pointed star with a bloom inside.

Huh, I was going by the leaves.  The ones I have flower like this:

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Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on October 02, 2018, 08:06:27 PM
I believe that is a variety of Columbine.  State flower of Colorado I believe.  I have some purple/pink ones growing here and there...

Well, that was fast.  Right you are, pate and Gravity. Good going!

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Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: PolkaDot on October 02, 2018, 08:52:59 PM
Here is a flower postcard.  Does anybody know what kind of flower it is?

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columbine. likes lower montane areas, needs some shade.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: PolkaDot on October 02, 2018, 08:57:45 PM
Wear a mask and watch breathing during application of such!

The debate:
I was outta town for a month and got yuuge number of various peppers. Apparently we had rain and sun lots. But most ripe to red: japs, cerrano, and bananna. Still good? Hotter or less due to color? Ways to use them?

Jalapeno and Serranos should be great. I think they get less bitter and a bit softer - when they're that ripe they don't hold up well to the bacon wrapped grill technique. They'd be great in salsa and such and they freeze really well too. For me, I've always found that the heat is from the amount of water they receive, but I live in a very dry climate. I really don't know about the Bananas.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on October 02, 2018, 10:38:15 PM
columbine. likes lower montane areas, needs some shade.

Right!  Thanks for playing, PolkaDot.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: PolkaDot on October 03, 2018, 10:26:42 AM
Right!  Thanks for playing, PolkaDot.
I’m late to the game but love this topic idea! I have a feeling you all are in nicer gardening clime than I am. Love horticulture though, it’s one of my happy places. Thanks for starting this guys- I’m excited to see what everyone is up too in their gardens!
Title: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: albrecht on October 06, 2018, 08:18:14 PM
Either way, need to kill em. Situation, at one point was a "hold my beer" situation when neighbor decided a poke n spray approach would work. Another trip to store for cans of spray and Benadryl (I was thinking that could he illegal, some meth making thing) but electronic check-out didn't stop (maybe flagged for later?) Anyhow killer didnt work. Methods were being discussed over beers. Decided to wait til manana. Maybe best. Thoughts were: pour kerosene, flood with hose, shove a lit road flare down, fireworks, pull out bush with truck while folks spray hole, pour deisel, or "get a sharpshooter and dig out, I'm immune." Most ideas were agreed that get your kid to film this so abandoned, for now. The spray didnt even kill ones flying back and forth. Bought 12 cans at Walmart, discounted. Now I know why discounted. Ideas?
Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: GravitySucks on October 06, 2018, 08:19:56 PM
Either way, need to kill em. Situation, at one point was a "hold my beer" situation when neighbor decided a poke n spray approach would work. Another trip to store for cans of spray and Benadryl (I was thinking that could he illegal, some meth making thing) but electronic check-out didn't stop (maybe flagged for later?) Anyhow killer didnt work. Methods were being discussed over beers. Decided to wait til manana. Maybe best. Thoughts were: pour kerosene, flood with hose, shove a lit road flare down, fireworks, pull out bush with truck while folks spray hole, pour deisel, or "get a sharpshooter and dig out, I'm immune." Most ideas were agreed that get your kid to film this so abandoned, for now. The spray didnt even kill ones flying back and forth. Bought 12 cans at Walmart, discounted. Now I know why discounted. Ideas?

Call Linda Moulton Howe
Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: Walks_At_Night on October 06, 2018, 08:27:35 PM
Either way, need to kill em. Situation, at one point was a "hold my beer" situation when neighbor decided a poke n spray approach would work. Another trip to store for cans of spray and Benadryl (I was thinking that could he illegal, some meth making thing) but electronic check-out didn't stop (maybe flagged for later?) Anyhow killer didnt work. Methods were being discussed over beers. Decided to wait til manana. Maybe best. Thoughts were: pour kerosene, flood with hose, shove a lit road flare down, fireworks, pull out bush with truck while folks spray hole, pour deisel, or "get a sharpshooter and dig out, I'm immune." Most ideas were agreed that get your kid to film this so abandoned, for now. The spray didnt even kill ones flying back and forth. Bought 12 cans at Walmart, discounted. Now I know why discounted. Ideas?

They are in a hole?  If you can cover the hole exit with a screen at night.   Then the next day pump 50,000 gallons of water down thru the screen

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Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: albrecht on October 06, 2018, 08:29:10 PM
Call Linda Moulton Howe
Ha. I actually used the pool net to capture one because I didn't wanna kill bees (though someone chimed in "what if Africanized Bees?! They are mean and will follow you!)
BUT, you could be onto something. Nicanoids (sp?) she always blames. I'll hit up neighbors n friends who smoke or dip and throw the ashtrays and spitoons into the bush?
Nah, I'll figure it out. Open to more ideas though since my fire options are suspect due to proximity of house. Might get a tyvek suit and go zombie style dig n spray. Idk.
Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: albrecht on October 06, 2018, 08:31:42 PM
They are in a hole?  If you can cover the hole exit with a screen at night.   Then the next day pump 50,000 gallons of water down thru the screen

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Ha. Water restrictions. Friggin greenies. Even when we have floods or even rain. Though my "one day a week" I guess?
Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: Walks_At_Night on October 06, 2018, 08:33:38 PM
Ha. Water restrictions. Friggin greenies. Even when we have floods or even rain. Though my "one day a week" I guess?

Well then a gallon of 93 Octane is the only thing left.

Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: Rikki Gins on October 06, 2018, 08:34:30 PM
Either way, need to kill em. Situation, at one point was a "hold my beer" situation when neighbor decided a poke n spray approach would work. Another trip to store for cans of spray and Benadryl (I was thinking that could he illegal, some meth making thing) but electronic check-out didn't stop (maybe flagged for later?) Anyhow killer didnt work. Methods were being discussed over beers. Decided to wait til manana. Maybe best. Thoughts were: pour kerosene, flood with hose, shove a lit road flare down, fireworks, pull out bush with truck while folks spray hole, pour deisel, or "get a sharpshooter and dig out, I'm immune." Most ideas were agreed that get your kid to film this so abandoned, for now. The spray didnt even kill ones flying back and forth. Bought 12 cans at Walmart, discounted. Now I know why discounted. Ideas?

When I was about 9 or 10 a group of us neighborhood kids were playing in a downed tree.  It was fun climbing through and over the branches that were still holding their leaves.  Suddenly I felt a sharp  sting in my right arm.  Oh, I thought to myself, a bee got me.  But then the sting repeated itself, over and over.  First time I was ever stung by a yellowjacket.  I went shouting and crying all the way home.  Later on I felt a bit silly, as if I should have toughed it out without bawling like a baby.
Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: GravitySucks on October 06, 2018, 08:41:25 PM
Ha. I actually used the pool net to capture one because I didn't wanna kill bees (though someone chimed in "what if Africanized Bees?! They are mean and will follow you!)
BUT, you could be onto something. Nicanoids (sp?) she always blames. I'll hit up neighbors n friends who smoke or dip and throw the ashtrays and spitoons into the bush?
Nah, I'll figure it out. Open to more ideas though since my fire options are suspect due to proximity of house. Might get a tyvek suit and go zombie style dig n spray. Idk.

Usually that wasp&hornet spray knocks everything down from mud dobbers (harmless?) to paper wasps and yellow jackets. Any pics of the one you caught?
Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: albrecht on October 06, 2018, 08:43:32 PM
When I was about 9 or 10 a group of us neighborhood kids were playing in a downed tree.  It was fun climbing through and over the branches that were still holding their leaves.  Suddenly I felt a sharp  sting in my right arm.  Oh, I thought to myself, a bee got me.  But then the sting repeated itself, over and over.  First time I was ever stung by a yellowjacket.  I went shouting and crying all the way home.  Later on I felt a bit silly, as if I should have toughed it out without bawling like a baby.
Haha. Yeah. Interesting tidbit: one's hand looked like "big baby hands" according to a kid. But summed up well. Also swelling from other stings but only 1/2 forearm swelled. Like half only. Stopped several inches below elbow. And dramatic stop. Later attempt someone was stung shoulder. No appreciable swelling (though we joked, 'you been lifting again') Another oddity, aside from initial stings (mowing) the others were us messing with it and spraying BUT folks wearing UT colors weren't stung or seemingly even targeted BUT guy in black shirt got nailed several times (this when I was poking/destroying hole with pool stick and others spraying worthless crap.)
Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: Walks_At_Night on October 06, 2018, 08:46:56 PM
Haha. Yeah. Interesting tidbit: one's hand looked like "big baby hands" according to a kid. But summed up well. Also swelling from other stings but only 1/2 forearm swelled. Like half only. Stopped several inches below elbow. And dramatic stop. Later attempt someone was stung shoulder. No appreciable swelling (though we joked, 'you been lifting again') Another oddity, aside from initial stings (mowing) the others were us messing with it and spraying BUT folks wearing UT colors weren't stung or seemingly even targeted BUT guy in black shirt got nailed several times (this when I was poking/destroying hole with pool stick and others spraying worthless crap.)

That's savage man !!!!!!!!!!!!1
Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: albrecht on October 06, 2018, 08:47:18 PM
Usually that wasp&hornet spray knocks everything down from mud dobbers (harmless?) to paper wasps and yellow jackets. Any pics of the one you caught?
No. I will tomorrow. At the time, after game, etc. Didnt have my phone (lock out during games) and then beers n dealing. Will try to do tomorrow. But, yeah, usually some hit usually convulse or die quick. N we had foaming and non. And several brands but old, low etc before the Walmart trip for bulk buy (that didnt work either.)
Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: GravitySucks on October 06, 2018, 08:50:06 PM
No. I will tomorrow. At the time, after game, etc. Didnt have my phone (lock out during games) and then beers n dealing. Will try to do tomorrow. But, yeah, usually some hit usually convulse or die quick. N we had foaming and non. And several brands but old, low etc before the Walmart trip for bulk buy (that didnt work either.)

Good news is Ags beat Kentucky who was ranked 15 in overtime. Texas/OU was a good game too.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Walks_At_Night on October 06, 2018, 08:51:51 PM
Well if you were stirring up a yellow jackets nest with a pool cue then please note that the gallon of 93 octane was a joke.

Go all Salt Walt on their ass with Isopropyl

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Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: albrecht on October 06, 2018, 08:53:37 PM
Good news is Ags beat Kentucky who was ranked 15 in overtime. Texas/OU was a good game too.
Too scary in 4th! But great win. We can both agree ou sucks!
Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: GravitySucks on October 06, 2018, 08:58:06 PM
Too scary in 4th! But great win. We can both agree ou sucks!

My son is a Texas fan
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on October 06, 2018, 08:58:11 PM
Well if you were stirring up a yellow jackets nest with a pool cue then please note that the gallon of 93 octane was a joke.

Go all Salt Walt on their ass with Isopropyl

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Ha. Sorry. NO! Not that brave. Sorry, pool stick I mentioned was from pool I brought around to poke at distance. The one for net or brush with big extensions. "Hey, I'll poke and disturb, y'all spray n figure out where its at!" No hero, here, in this case. Now if my "shove road flare down" wins I might he hero...or goat. BUT you got ke thinking. Pool chemicals. Hmmm. Got chorine tablets, muratic acid, ...
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Walks_At_Night on October 06, 2018, 09:02:44 PM
Ha. Sorry. NO! Not that brave. Sorry, pool stick I mentioned was from pool I brought around to poke at distance. The one for net or brush with big extensions. "Hey, I'll poke and disturb, y'all spray n figure out where its at!" No hero, here, in this case. Now if my "shove road flare down" wins I might he hero...or goat. BUT you got ke thinking. Pool chemicals. Hmmm. Got chorine tablets, muratic acid, ...

Muratic acid you say?     You don't have a hair on your ass if you don't go that route!   We want a *full* report, mind you................

Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: albrecht on October 06, 2018, 09:05:37 PM
My son is a Texas fan
Nice. You must be, somewhat, happy realignment and bs $ makes Thanksgiving easier. Haha. And all can agree over meals that ou sucks.
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Post by: GravitySucks on October 06, 2018, 09:07:52 PM
Nice. You must be, somewhat, happy realignment and bs $ makes Thanksgiving easier. Haha. And all can agree over meals that ou sucks.

My daughter is a happy camper right now. LSU and Auburn both lost. Iowa State beat Oklahoma St too. Seems to be quite a few upsets of ranked teams this week.

Hanging my head because I don’t think Nebraska will win a game this year.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on October 06, 2018, 09:13:45 PM
Muratic acid you say?     You don't have a hair on your ass if you don't go that route!   We want a *full* report, mind you................


Can you believe they are building a new fire station near me! Damn. Great, more service. Bad, block parties. Fast response does jive with us. Not only those. Actually, n better in case of damage a simple dry-ice works. The chorline stuff is good but worrying (etched a friends car once.) AL n Muriatic is nice but, again, kids don't do. I never done any of them. New fire marshal we only burn stuff fot bbq or for illegals keeping warm on site. Sanctuary city!
Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: albrecht on October 06, 2018, 09:15:53 PM
My daughter is a happy camper right now. LSU and Auburn both lost. Iowa State beat Oklahoma St too. Seems to be quite a few upsets of ranked teams this week.

Hanging my head because I don’t think Nebraska will win a game this year.
I miss them but never a good fit. Fans too nice, seriously. Even when we bitched about that weird county program that made them good.
Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on October 07, 2018, 05:25:21 AM
My son is a Texas fan

Don't let GS's flair distract you from the fact that Texas lost to Kansas.
Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on October 07, 2018, 05:34:32 AM
Either way, need to kill em. Situation, at one point was a "hold my beer" situation when neighbor decided a poke n spray approach would work. Another trip to store for cans of spray and Benadryl (I was thinking that could he illegal, some meth making thing) but electronic check-out didn't stop (maybe flagged for later?) Anyhow killer didnt work. Methods were being discussed over beers. Decided to wait til manana. Maybe best. Thoughts were: pour kerosene, flood with hose, shove a lit road flare down, fireworks, pull out bush with truck while folks spray hole, pour deisel, or "get a sharpshooter and dig out, I'm immune." Most ideas were agreed that get your kid to film this so abandoned, for now. The spray didnt even kill ones flying back and forth. Bought 12 cans at Walmart, discounted. Now I know why discounted. Ideas?

You might try making a trap to thin the numbers out a bit.  That might make it easier to get close to assess the nest so you can figure out a plan of attack.

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/home/g20706063/homemade-yellow-jacket-trap/ (https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/home/g20706063/homemade-yellow-jacket-trap/)
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: wr250 on October 07, 2018, 06:49:38 AM
Can you believe they are building a new fire station near me! Damn. Great, more service. Bad, block parties. Fast response does jive with us. Not only those. Actually, n better in case of damage a simple dry-ice works. The chorline stuff is good but worrying (etched a friends car once.) AL n Muriatic is nice but, again, kids don't do. I never done any of them. New fire marshal we only burn stuff fot bbq or for illegals keeping warm on site. Sanctuary city!

get yourself some sevin. i would get the liquid and the powder garden dust.
at night (they are much less likely to leave the nest at night) flood the nest with sevin mixed as directed on its instructions. then put the powder down around the nest opening so the hornets have to get some on them as they leave/enter. with any luck they will take the sevin into the nest and it will kill the queen.

sevin has a very low toxicity to mammals, but is extremely toxic to insects.
Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: pate on October 07, 2018, 07:16:56 AM
Either way, need to kill em. Situation, at one point was a "hold my beer" situation when neighbor decided a poke n spray approach would work. Another trip to store for cans of spray and Benadryl (I was thinking that could he illegal, some meth making thing) but electronic check-out didn't stop (maybe flagged for later?) Anyhow killer didnt work. Methods were being discussed over beers. Decided to wait til manana. Maybe best. Thoughts were: pour kerosene, flood with hose, shove a lit road flare down, fireworks, pull out bush with truck while folks spray hole, pour deisel, or "get a sharpshooter and dig out, I'm immune." Most ideas were agreed that get your kid to film this so abandoned, for now. The spray didnt even kill ones flying back and forth. Bought 12 cans at Walmart, discounted. Now I know why discounted. Ideas?

Call an exterminator, preferably one with a bee suit.

My brother does that sort of work, he has access to chemicals civilians can't buy.  I don't think it is all that expensive
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on October 08, 2018, 08:33:46 PM
I took a couple pics of my prizewinning (ha) tomato plants.  There is too much clay in my soil so I prefer to grow cherry, yellow pear and other small tomato varieties in a row of pots.

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Here you can see a yellow pear plant to the right.  You can also see a hummingbird feeder that I have hanging on the cage.  The hummingbirds love it.

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Here is a closeup of some Bush Early Girl tomatoes.  This picture was taken several weeks back while we still had some forest fire smoke in the air.  You can see some ash there on the tomatoes.
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Post by: GrumpyOldMan on October 08, 2018, 09:36:00 PM
Very nice!  I fear that this last round of rain has done my garden in for the year.  Most of my herbs have already drowned. 

How big of pots do you use, and do you use an automated watering system? 
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Post by: Rikki Gins on October 14, 2018, 07:22:48 PM
Very nice!  I fear that this last round of rain has done my garden in for the year.  Most of my herbs have already drowned. 

How big of pots do you use, and do you use an automated watering system?

For the most part, my pots are 15 inches wide at the top and 1 foot high.  I've got them up on wooden platforms, otherwise my pugs will help themselves to the ripe tomatoes.  I water the tomatoes with a hose and a nozzle attachment that allows the water to burble out.  (Harder spray settings will push the potting soil out of the pots.)

The nights are starting to hit upper thirties as a low temperature.  That temperature is just a hop, skip and a jump to 32 degrees, and the end of the growing season here.   
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Post by: Rikki Gins on October 14, 2018, 07:25:21 PM
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Would anybody like to hazard a guess as to what this colorful tree is called?
Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: albrecht on October 14, 2018, 07:29:21 PM
Call an exterminator, preferably one with a bee suit.

My brother does that sort of work, he has access to chemicals civilians can't buy.  I don't think it is all that expensive

I have not dug much or investigated BUT they seem to be gone? We've had some heavy rains this week so didn't check out. But this weekend was dry but I didn't see any flying around. A "cold-front" coming so maybe they have hunkered down? Or the cheap-ass poison last week, finally took hold? Or maybe natural life-cycle of the beasts that when fall comes the worker soldiers die and the queen(s) is still down there somewhere biding her time for revenge?

For some reason the rains have started by peppers up again. Nothing for most of summer but now, all of a sudden, a lot of banana peppers, cerranos are going crazy, some jalapenos, and, for some odd reason, Tabasco peppers just coming in (they are the weird ones that sorta grow "up," right? I've lost track of what I planted where and the little signs were washed away sometime.)
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Post by: Rikki Gins on October 14, 2018, 07:39:45 PM
I have not dug much or investigated BUT they seem to be gone? We've had some heavy rains this week so didn't check out. But this weekend was dry but I didn't see any flying around. A "cold-front" coming so maybe they have hunkered down? Or the cheap-ass poison last week, finally took hold? Or maybe natural life-cycle of the beasts that when fall comes the worker soldiers die and the queen(s) is still down there somewhere biding her time for revenge?

For some reason the rains have started by peppers up again. Nothing for most of summer but now, all of a sudden, a lot of banana peppers, cerranos are going crazy, some jalapenos, and, for some odd reason, Tabasco peppers just coming in (they are the weird ones that sorta grow "up," right? I've lost track of what I planted where and the little signs were washed away sometime.)

Ha, I grew a number of Tabasco peppers some years back and you are right, they didn't turn red until the first frost occurred.  I did harvest enough of them to put in a long bottle with some olive oil.  I thought I could make my own Tabasco sauce but my experiment didn't work.  I put some of the oil in a pan with something that I was cooking and the kitchen became one big tear gas bomb.  My guests were running around crying and hurling insults at me!
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Post by: albrecht on October 14, 2018, 07:49:09 PM
Ha, I grew a number of Tabasco peppers some years back and you are right, they didn't turn red until the first frost occurred.  I did harvest enough of them to put in a long bottle with some olive oil.  I thought I could make my own Tabasco sauce but my experiment didn't work.  I put some of the oil in a pan with something that I was cooking and the kitchen became one big tear gas bomb.  My guests were running around crying and hurling insults at me!
I'm gonna try, or try at least the vinegar deal you see at bbq restaurants etc. Or used to, not so much anymore? How can I screw that up? Put the peppers in some vinegar....like
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Post by: GravitySucks on October 14, 2018, 07:54:09 PM
I'm gonna try, or try at least the vinegar deal you see at bbq restaurants etc. Or used to, not so much anymore? How can I screw that up? Put the peppers in some vinegar....like
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https://oureverydaylife.com/pickle-tabasco-peppers-vinegar-salt-39279.html
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Post by: albrecht on October 14, 2018, 07:57:17 PM
https://oureverydaylife.com/pickle-tabasco-peppers-vinegar-salt-39279.html
Thanks! This is looking a bit more complicated than I thought. I never canned anything. I figured I'd just rinse 'em and throw em in a jar with vinegar. Haha. But I think I can figure this out. (If this "cold-front" and rain don't kill em.)

friggin Boston....
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: wr250 on October 14, 2018, 07:58:24 PM
https://oureverydaylife.com/pickle-tabasco-peppers-vinegar-salt-39279.html
i would use cider vinegar in place of white vinegar. it adds a bit of flavor. white vinegar is best used for cleaning purposes.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on October 14, 2018, 08:14:51 PM
i would use cider vinegar in place of white vinegar. it adds a bit of flavor. white vinegar is best used for cleaning purposes.
Ha. I actually like white vinegar on chips (fries) rather than malt vinegar. Go figure. More tart? Idk. I think the Scots like it also?
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: wr250 on October 14, 2018, 09:09:46 PM
Ha. I actually like white vinegar on chips (fries) rather than malt vinegar. Go figure. More tart? Idk. I think the Scots like it also?
the tartness is the same. the apple cider vinegar adds a subtle apple flavor that i like.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on October 14, 2018, 09:14:07 PM
the tartness is the same. the apple cider vinegar adds a subtle apple flavor that i like.
Interesting. I like apples most when with stuff like pork. Ideally, and easy, slice some up, some sauerkraut, some pork chops. Bake. Eat with side of apple sauce. For contrast? Since the apples baked are now soured?
Title: Re: Hornets or Yellowjackets
Post by: BartEllProducer on October 17, 2018, 01:27:16 PM
I'm gonna try, or try at least the vinegar deal you see at bbq restaurants etc. Or used to, not so much anymore? How can I screw that up? Put the peppers in some vinegar....like
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Great on Collards and turnips. Let it sit for 90 days.
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Post by: Rikki Gins on October 20, 2018, 03:12:41 PM
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Would anybody like to hazard a guess as to what this colorful tree is called?

Answer:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delonix_regia
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Post by: albrecht on October 20, 2018, 03:21:49 PM
Answer:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delonix_regia
I was gonna guess some exotic variety of Crepe Myrtle; due to trunk look and tropical local and since the painting/print wasn't very clear on blooms.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on October 20, 2018, 04:16:46 PM
I was gonna guess some exotic variety of Crepe Myrtle; due to trunk look and tropical local and since the painting/print wasn't very clear on blooms.

I thought you might notice the tops of palm trees in the background.  A tip off that it was in Florida, where Flame Trees are prevelant.  (Or were at one time?)  Have you got them in Texas?
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Post by: albrecht on October 20, 2018, 04:26:42 PM
I thought you might notice the tops of palm trees in the background.  A tip off that it was in Florida, where Flame Trees are prevelant.  (Or were at one time?)  Have you got them in Texas?
Apparently though I'm not sure I've seen them. Mainly South TX. But some reports are far north as SA. I guess related to the also non-native "Mimosa" tree and shrubs like "Pride of Barbados" that does grow here.
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Post by: Rikki Gins on October 22, 2018, 11:20:03 AM
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Anybody know the name of this flower?  Clue: It can be found in the Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming.
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Post by: PolkaDot on October 22, 2018, 12:54:59 PM
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Anybody know the name of this flower?  Clue: It can be found in the Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming.

It's a Castillaja (Indian Paintbrush) it generally grows with grasses, it can't survive on it's own.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: GravitySucks on October 22, 2018, 01:18:00 PM
It's a Castillaja (Indian Paintbrush) it generally grows with grasses, it can't survive on it's own.

That was my first thought but the ones we have down here don’t look quite like that. One of my favorite spring flowers. Usually last longer than the blue bonnets.
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Post by: Rikki Gins on October 22, 2018, 03:22:21 PM
It's a Castillaja (Indian Paintbrush) it generally grows with grasses, it can't survive on it's own.

Winner!

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Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Evil Twin Of Zen on October 27, 2018, 07:15:05 PM
Top 10 best plant identification apps (android/iphone) 2018  https://techigem.com/plant-identification-apps/

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Post by: Rikki Gins on October 27, 2018, 08:10:27 PM
Top 10 best plant identification apps (android/iphone) 2018  https://techigem.com/plant-identification-apps/

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I never thought to look for a plant identifying app.  I downloaded the What's This Flower? on my tablet.  What a cool app.  Thanks, Evil!
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Post by: Evil Twin Of Zen on October 27, 2018, 09:20:13 PM
I never thought to look for a plant identifying app.  I downloaded the What's This Flower? on my tablet.  What a cool app.  Thanks, Evil!

No problem.

you can find all sorts of sensors and monitoring software for plants/gardens that can link to phones and other networks.

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Post by: Rikki Gins on November 01, 2018, 08:50:15 PM
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Does anybody know the name of these white flowers? 

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There might be a clue on the back of the postcard.  The state of North Carolina.  Perhaps the flower is indigenous to that state?
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: PolkaDot on November 01, 2018, 08:52:01 PM
my first instinct is dogwood, but it looks a bit low...
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Post by: Rikki Gins on November 01, 2018, 09:06:34 PM
my first instinct is dogwood, but it looks a bit low...

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Cornus florida in spring.
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I looked up a dogwood flower and it sure looks like the postcard pic to me.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornus  Congratulations, PolkaDot, another one bites the dust.

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Post by: albrecht on November 01, 2018, 09:24:29 PM
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Does anybody know the name of these white flowers? 

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There might be a clue on the back of the postcard.  The state of North Carolina.  Perhaps the flower is indigenous to that state?
On phone but looks more like Dogwood tree/bush, I think tree but understory blooms? Btw hornets seemingly "gone" from area BUT my Jack O' Latern, actually even when pumpkin, on porch attracted some? Color? Scent? I sprayed and carved. Tuen I got gnats quick (before cold-front, which really was storms.) Had to put candles in all day before Halloween to keep gnats or fruit flies at bay! This AM had to seal up in bag and throw away.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on November 02, 2018, 12:28:08 AM
On phone but looks more like Dogwood tree/bush, I think tree but understory blooms? Btw hornets seemingly "gone" from area BUT my Jack O' Latern, actually even when pumpkin, on porch attracted some? Color? Scent? I sprayed and carved. Tuen I got gnats quick (before cold-front, which really was storms.) Had to put candles in all day before Halloween to keep gnats or fruit flies at bay! This AM had to seal up in bag and throw away.

Yes, pretty sure it's a Dogwood tree.  I did refer to them as being flowers, but as it turns out they are flowers on a tree.  Enjoyed reading about the short, unhappy life of Mr. a's Jack O' Lantern.  Hornets like to gorge on sugars from rotting fruits and vegetables.  I bet that they were attracted to your pumpkin's aroma.  (I almost wrote that they probably smell better than humans, but I caught myself.)
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Post by: Rikki Gins on November 06, 2018, 05:04:57 PM
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I came across this colorful produce crate label while looking up produce crate labels.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on November 06, 2018, 05:46:55 PM
Weird thing. It seems every year this mushroom pops up in the same place in the yard. I think there is an old tree stump there? Not sure what kind it is but seems weird it pops, even through whatever mulch I have put down, at roughly the same time each year, lives a little bit, then gone for months until next year.

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Post by: GravitySucks on November 06, 2018, 05:49:05 PM
Weird thing. It seems every year this mushroom pops up in the same place in the yard. I think there is an old tree stump there? Not sure what kind it is but seems weird it pops, even through whatever mulch I have put down, at roughly the same time each year, lives a little bit, then gone for months until next year.

I found some interesting fungi up at my place.  Here is one I need to see if it is Lion’s Mane.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on November 06, 2018, 05:57:26 PM
I found some interesting fungi up at my place.  Here is one I need to see if it is Lion’s Mane.
Somewhere I got a book, never used, but I can't find it. That is a cool looking one. I guess all the wet weather and now, slightly, cooler weather is bringing out fungi a lot.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on November 06, 2018, 06:05:59 PM
Weird thing. It seems every year this mushroom pops up in the same place in the yard. I think there is an old tree stump there? Not sure what kind it is but seems weird it pops, even through whatever mulch I have put down, at roughly the same time each year, lives a little bit, then gone for months until next year.

Are you using wood mulch every year?  If so, that's why you get the fungus.  If you're using different mulches, then you must have some buried wood or dead tree roots in that spot.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: PolkaDot on November 06, 2018, 06:15:17 PM
Weird thing. It seems every year this mushroom pops up in the same place in the yard. I think there is an old tree stump there? Not sure what kind it is but seems weird it pops, even through whatever mulch I have put down, at roughly the same time each year, lives a little bit, then gone for months until next year.

Oooh! What a pretty fungus! I’m wondering if it’s a Leucocoprinus? They’re pretty stoked on organic matter & show up in indoor plant soil a lot? Mushrooms are hard bc they can be so different at different stages. I’m curious what the answer is!


Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: PolkaDot on November 06, 2018, 06:22:59 PM
I found some interesting fungi up at my place.  Here is one I need to see if it is Lion’s Mane.

Oh wow! I’ve never seen him his before- crazy! It’s really cool looking.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on November 06, 2018, 06:27:41 PM
Are you using wood mulch every year?  If so, that's why you get the fungus.  If you're using different mulches, then you must have some buried wood or dead tree roots in that spot.
I do use mulch but have used different kinds over the years and also it pops up in same place. I think there is a tree stump underneath but as I recall it was a cedar (juniper) which I would find out because they usually don't really rot or get fungi (why we used to use them for fence posts.) But maybe it was something else. I'm not planning to eat but still curious what kind it is.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on November 06, 2018, 06:29:04 PM
Oooh! What a pretty fungus! I’m wondering if it’s a Leucocoprinus? They’re pretty stoked on organic matter & show up in indoor plant soil a lot? Mushrooms are hard bc they can be so different at different stages. I’m curious what the answer is!
I did a half-hearted internet search and the pics I found doesn't look like that kind but the internet seems to get harder and harder to find real information easily. The amazing thing is how quickly it pops up, grows, stays a bit, dies, and then comes back next year.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on November 08, 2018, 06:47:05 AM
Albrecht,

Take a look at this Reddit thread.  This is the closest match that I saw.  Fungus ID is not my in my wheel house.  Hope this helps.

https://www.reddit.com/r/mycology/comments/9ue2lo/just_outside_my_house_what_are_those/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/mycology/comments/9ue2lo/just_outside_my_house_what_are_those/)

Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on November 08, 2018, 10:54:49 AM
Albrecht,

Take a look at this Reddit thread.  This is the closest match that I saw.  Fungus ID is not my in my wheel house.  Hope this helps.

https://www.reddit.com/r/mycology/comments/9ue2lo/just_outside_my_house_what_are_those/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/mycology/comments/9ue2lo/just_outside_my_house_what_are_those/)

Thanks, I will investigate.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on November 16, 2018, 05:30:48 PM
Freezing temperatures occurred in the Pacific Northwest this past week and as a consequence, my potted tomato plants bit the dust.

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I still have my hummingbird stopping by for nectar, though.  He (or she?) will hang around throughout the winter.

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One good thing, I was able to pick these two sweet peppers just before the frost hit.  They tasted great, chopped up and thrown into a panful of scrambled eggs.

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Post by: albrecht on November 16, 2018, 05:35:37 PM
Freezing temperatures occurred here in the Pacific Northwest this past week and as a consequence, my potted tomato plants bit the dust.

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I still have my hummingbird stopping by for nectar, though.  He (or she?) will hang around throughout the winter.

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One good thing, I was able to pick these two sweet peppers just before the frost hit.  They tasted great, chopped up and thrown into a panful of scrambled eggs.

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Same deal here in Texas. Got into the 20s at night, of course warming up again now and all died. But I got one last big harvest of peppers. For some reason I can only grow peppers, as tomatoes seem to die, get eaten by critters, get those worms, etc. I guess just too darn hot in summer if you don't really pay attention to water and critters. And like you in pots so can dry out quick in the Texas summer sun. But I got a whole lot of jalapenos, cerranos, banana, and tabasco peppers off before the freeze. Sort of weird. Nothing on them all summer and then we had a wet fall and got a bit cooler and BOOM- peppers aplenty!

ps: Idk about hummingbirds? Do they migrate? Hibernate? Just survive? I also don't know how cold it usually gets up there (the NW can vary between fairly mild and wet to pretty cold and dry depending on which side of mountains, how close to coast, how high up, etc.) But if the hummingbirds are sticking around I guess you'd need to ensure the solution doesn't freeze! I don't think there would be flowers around for them to eat so....
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on November 16, 2018, 05:54:57 PM
Same deal here in Texas. Got into the 20s at night, of course warming up again now and all died. But I got one last big harvest of peppers. For some reason I can only grow peppers, as tomatoes seem to die, get eaten by critters, get those worms, etc. I guess just too darn hot in summer if you don't really pay attention to water and critters. And like you in pots so can dry out quick in the Texas summer sun. But I got a whole lot of jalapenos, cerranos, banana, and tabasco peppers off before the freeze. Sort of weird. Nothing on them all summer and then we had a wet fall and got a bit cooler and BOOM- peppers aplenty!

ps: Idk about hummingbirds? Do they migrate? Hibernate? Just survive? I also don't know how cold it usually gets up there (the NW can vary between fairly mild and wet to pretty cold and dry depending on which side of mountains, how close to coast, how high up, etc.) But if the hummingbirds are sticking around I guess you'd need to ensure the solution doesn't freeze! I don't think there would be flowers around for them to eat so....

That's right, most flowers are gone during the winter, but hummingbirds will stick around if you have a steady source of food for them.  Mine will stick around all year and will feed during harsh weather but as you noted, I will warm the nectar up if it has frozen outside, or if there is snow on the ground.  Those little birds are very hardy, and they go into a kind of deep sleep state during the frozen night, and they retain a little warmth inside to make it until morning.
http://www.birdsandblooms.com/blog/hummingbirds-survive-in-snow-and-freezing-temps/
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on November 17, 2018, 12:12:25 PM
That's right, most flowers are gone during the winter, but hummingbirds will stick around if you have a steady source of food for them.  Mine will stick around all year and will feed during harsh weather but as you noted, I will warm the nectar up if it has frozen outside, or if there is snow on the ground.  Those little birds are very hardy, and they go into a kind of deep sleep state during the frozen night, and they retain a little warmth inside to make it until morning.
http://www.birdsandblooms.com/blog/hummingbirds-survive-in-snow-and-freezing-temps/
Cool. Neat little birds, I had no idea they were so hardy. They seem so delicate. I found a hummingbird nest in one of my bushes once. It was so funny. Like a normal bird's nest shrunk to thumb-size.
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Post by: Rikki Gins on November 17, 2018, 01:56:41 PM
Cool. Neat little birds, I had no idea they were so hardy. They seem so delicate. I found a hummingbird nest in one of my bushes once. It was so funny. Like a normal bird's nest shrunk to thumb-size.

Wow, that is something.  I've never seen a hummingbird nest myself, but I have a sneaking suspicion that there is one nearby.  I have two hummingbirds that show up.  One spends his time sitting around the feeders and he will chase the other one away, whenever the other one try's to fly in for a drink.  I have seen the two of them feeding together on the big feeder, but only on very rare occasions.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on November 17, 2018, 02:20:52 PM
Wow, that is something.  I've never seen a hummingbird nest myself, but I have a sneaking suspicion that there is one nearby.  I have two hummingbirds that show up.  One spends his time sitting around the feeders and he will chase the other one away, whenever the other one try's to fly in for a drink.  I have seen the two of them feeding together on the big feeder, but only on very rare occasions.
Nest was very small, tightly built with small sticks, what looked like maybe lint from my dryer vent (?) and on a branch way back in a thick bush that I was cutting back. A place a human, or even a critter like a coon, possum, or cat would be able to crawl up into. A 'chicken' (rat) snake could get at it, I think, but eggs so small likely not 'worth it' for the snake and high enough to keep others out.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Dancing queen on November 17, 2018, 05:52:10 PM
One good thing, I was able to pick these two sweet peppers just before the frost hit.  They tasted great, chopped up and thrown into a panful of scrambled eggs.

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i never have luck with peppers and i have tried for years. those look delicious
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Post by: Rikki Gins on November 17, 2018, 06:29:14 PM
i never have luck with peppers and i have tried for years. those look delicious

Yes, they were pretty tasty.  Heat wise, they were on the mild side.  Like my tomatoes, the peppers were grown in pots.   
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Post by: Dancing queen on November 17, 2018, 06:43:54 PM
Yes, they were pretty tasty.  Heat wise, they were on the mild side.  Like my tomatoes, the peppers were grown in pots.

do they need more watering and shade in pots?
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on November 18, 2018, 02:49:07 PM
i never have luck with peppers and i have tried for years. those look delicious
Strangely peppers have been about the only thing I can successfully grow. And usually pretty easy, if I can do it! The only problem I had this year was that a freeze hit before the Tabasco peppers were harvested. But Jalapenos, Cerranos, Bell, and Banana peppers were easy and lots of fruit production and basically no care except some water during the especially hot times.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on November 23, 2018, 01:54:03 PM
do they need more watering and shade in pots?

If the weather is hot, then the pots must be watered every other day, but if overcast or coolish, a good watering will last three or four days.  I use a special hose nozzle that allows for a nice flow of water that will fill the pot up quickly and yet it doesn't knock the potting soil onto the ground.  I use Black Gold flower and vegetable potting soil that has time released fertilizer and apply Jobe's vegetable feeder spikes in early August to give the plants enough of a shot in the arm to get them through to the first frost.  Shade is not an issue because I have them placed up against a tall fence.  The plants get plenty of sun during high summer, but less and less as autumn approaches.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on November 23, 2018, 02:33:51 PM
The peppers I gave to my sister-in-law since she has various blenders and likes to make and cook and she made a pretty good salsa (hot though for some) for some post-Thanksgiving fajitas lunch. 
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Dancing queen on November 24, 2018, 07:01:33 PM
thx for the tips and hints on how to get those peppers going.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on November 24, 2018, 08:17:08 PM
thx for the tips and hints on how to get those peppers going.

You are so very welcome!  As an afterthought, I would like to add that you might like to look for the biggest pepper plant of whatever varieties are available in the store.  Some of them even have tiny peppers growing on them when you put them in the pot.  That kind of saves you some time in case you have a short growing season.  Also, if your pepper plant has lots of blossoms, try shaking the plant a little.  I do that with my plants but I'm not really sure if it helps with pollinating them. haha 
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on November 27, 2018, 10:39:35 AM
There appears to be a big debate on interwebs about this: when should one prune back Lantanas? I've always heard you wait until the end of winter or early spring to prune off the dead wood. Others have said once they are dead, as mine are after the first early freeze, you can prune back in "winter" (Central Texas so our "winter" can be in the 70s to freezing depending on the day. Haha.) Lastly, some people say prune (for shaping) while in bloom in the summer. They look shitty all dead and brown even though I know, if other years are correct, they will come back in spring once it warms up. Maybe it makes no difference? Idk.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on November 28, 2018, 02:11:51 PM
There appears to be a big debate on interwebs about this: when should one prune back Lantanas? I've always heard you wait until the end of winter or early spring to prune off the dead wood. Others have said once they are dead, as mine are after the first early freeze, you can prune back in "winter" (Central Texas so our "winter" can be in the 70s to freezing depending on the day. Haha.) Lastly, some people say prune (for shaping) while in bloom in the summer. They look shitty all dead and brown even though I know, if other years are correct, they will come back in spring once it warms up. Maybe it makes no difference? Idk.

I can only speak for roses, but after the first blooms of spring they tend to get kind of lanky so I will cut them back quite a bit.  Of course, it being early summer by this time, they will grow back rather quickly and more roses will come into bloom.  So then, they will be kind of stringy, and overgrown by the time winter rolls around and I will prune them back yet again.  We get some rather severe low temps around that time and yet my roses have never failed to grow and the whole cycle of cutting back in late spring and early winter repeats itself.   
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on November 29, 2018, 01:46:57 PM
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Here is another fruit crate label that is better suited for the EllGab Garden rather than the Fruit and Vegetable Label thread.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on November 29, 2018, 02:16:14 PM
I can only speak for roses, but after the first blooms of spring they tend to get kind of lanky so I will cut them back quite a bit.  Of course, it being early summer by this time, they will grow back rather quickly and more roses will come into bloom.  So then, they will be kind of stringy, and overgrown by the time winter rolls around and I will prune them back yet again.  We get some rather severe low temps around that time and yet my roses have never failed to grow and the whole cycle of cutting back in late spring and early winter repeats itself.
Here I don't think we need to do much with roses. I recall up north folks would prune back and cover up with pine needles etc and then rely on snow to keep them from dying in the winter. I'm going to ask a neighbor who is always gardening about my lantanas when I can catch them outside.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: ACE OF CLUBS on November 29, 2018, 02:24:04 PM
George Noory sucks . . .
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on November 29, 2018, 07:40:30 PM
George Noory sucks . . .

Lemons?
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on November 30, 2018, 01:37:35 PM
Here I don't think we need to do much with roses. I recall up north folks would prune back and cover up with pine needles etc and then rely on snow to keep them from dying in the winter. I'm going to ask a neighbor who is always gardening about my lantanas when I can catch them outside.

According to a humongous A to Z book on plants from 1999, Lantanas are classified as a group 9 plant when it comes to pruning.  This means that light pruning of the spent blooms should be done in late spring.  You already knew this though.  Severe pruning can be done also, but you won't get any blooms during the next growing season.  You have had winter damage already so you might want to sacrifice next years blooms for the safety of your plant.  Your call.  PS, it also said to prune back (at any time) any branch that ruins the symmetry of the Lantana.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on November 30, 2018, 01:44:32 PM
According to a humongous A to Z book on plants from 1999, Lantanas are classified as a group 9 plant when it comes to pruning.  This means that light pruning of the spent blooms should be done in late spring.  You already knew this though.  Severe pruning can be done also, but you won't get any blooms during the next growing season.  You have had winter damage already so you might want to sacrifice next years blooms for the safety of your plant.  Your call.  PS, it also said to prune back (at any time) any branch that ruins the symmetry of the Lantana.
Thanks.  So much conflicting information. Last year I cut down to the ground at the end of winter. And had great blooms and plants a foot, foot and 1/2, tall for the most of summer. And lots of butterflies which I know will make LMH happy. Those I don't want those to get much taller anyhow. But those were established ones. The new ones I planted this spring I worry about cutting back too much and due to their position I don't mind if they go crazy or grow large.  We'll see.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on December 01, 2018, 05:28:00 PM
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Another flowery fruit crate label.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on December 02, 2018, 01:19:33 PM
According to a humongous A to Z book on plants from 1999, Lantanas are classified as a group 9 plant when it comes to pruning.  This means that light pruning of the spent blooms should be done in late spring.  You already knew this though.  Severe pruning can be done also, but you won't get any blooms during the next growing season.  You have had winter damage already so you might want to sacrifice next years blooms for the safety of your plant.  Your call.  PS, it also said to prune back (at any time) any branch that ruins the symmetry of the Lantana.
Old lady down on the block who gardens like it is going out of style said that I can cut them back. So I did. Now, we will see if they come back in the spring.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on December 15, 2018, 11:20:15 AM
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This postcard belongs in the EllGab Garden thread.  It is an advertisement for a florist's shop in Maine.

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I couldn't raise any info on the outfit so it might be gone, or it was bought out and resumed business under a different name.
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Post by: Rikki Gins on December 18, 2018, 02:01:29 PM
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Strange how citrus growers liked to use garden flowers to illustrate their produce.
Moving the Call Ranch house: http://www.coronaheritage.org/callhouse.html
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Sofia on December 19, 2018, 10:34:57 AM
I grew up with a rose garden (That was all I got), so I've been trimming them since I was in 7th grade.  If you include close ups of the vinework of your latanas, like angle your camera from under the blossoms if there are any, then I could give you specific guidance.  The time of year might not be as important as the placement, severity, and style of cut.  You probably already know to cut just above the nip, and to angle your cut top down, to minimize rain getting in the wound (not sure if it rains much where you are).  And the dead head to increase blooms.  It is fine to just prune the few inches under a dead head which are inches that are going to turn brown and fall off anyhow.  In general, I wouldn't prune very much at any one time, regardless off time of year, because I like tall rose bushes.  If you like short bushes, then yes you can cut them way down, but remember to cut above each nip, angle the blade down and inward so the wound kind has an overhang to keep rain out, and I would stagger the height of each major cut by many inches so your blossoms show more instead of all being at one height.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on December 24, 2018, 04:21:31 PM
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Post by: Rikki Gins on December 28, 2018, 01:32:54 AM
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The latest issue of Agricultural News.  (100 years ago, that is.)  You can read it here:  https://archive.org/stream/agriculturalnews17grea/agriculturalnews17grea#page/n500/mode/1up
(Scroll down to page 413 for an interesting article on popcorn.)
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on January 07, 2019, 12:29:32 AM
I grew up with a rose garden (That was all I got), so I've been trimming them since I was in 7th grade.  If you include close ups of the vinework of your latanas, like angle your camera from under the blossoms if there are any, then I could give you specific guidance.  The time of year might not be as important as the placement, severity, and style of cut.  You probably already know to cut just above the nip, and to angle your cut top down, to minimize rain getting in the wound (not sure if it rains much where you are).  And the dead head to increase blooms.  It is fine to just prune the few inches under a dead head which are inches that are going to turn brown and fall off anyhow.  In general, I wouldn't prune very much at any one time, regardless off time of year, because I like tall rose bushes.  If you like short bushes, then yes you can cut them way down, but remember to cut above each nip, angle the blade down and inward so the wound kind has an overhang to keep rain out, and I would stagger the height of each major cut by many inches so your blossoms show more instead of all being at one height.

Thank you @Sofia for sharing your knowledge of pruning rose bushes.  Here is a pic of a rose from one of my bushes of twelve years back.  I can't remember what happened to the plant.  All I know is that it isn't around anymore and that's too bad because I've got other, less colorful roses that seem to have no trouble in surviving year after year.

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Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: StarrMountain on January 07, 2019, 01:04:45 AM
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Post by: Sofia on January 07, 2019, 01:21:12 AM
Thank you @Sofia for sharing your knowledge of pruning rose bushes.  Here is a pic of a rose from one of my bushes of twelve years back.  I can't remember what happened to the plant.  All I know is that it isn't around anymore and that's too bad because I've got other, less colorful roses that seem to have no trouble in surviving year after year.

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That is beautiful!  You're welcome.  Maybe someone dug it up when you weren't looking!
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Post by: Chine on January 10, 2019, 08:41:15 AM
What a lovely and refreshing thread.

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Post by: Bluejay on January 10, 2019, 09:56:23 AM
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Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on January 11, 2019, 06:34:00 PM
Close up picture of a corpse plant.

You know Starr, whenever they have the flower of a Corpse Plant blooming, the botanical garden or university will usually put a webcam on it.  I like to watch the people file by looking at it, and I can do so for quite awhile.  I don't know why, but it fascinates me. 
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Post by: Rikki Gins on January 11, 2019, 06:36:33 PM
What a lovely and refreshing thread.

What a nice thing to say.  I'm very happy that you like it.
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Post by: Rikki Gins on January 11, 2019, 06:38:26 PM
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Now that is simply beautiful!  Thank you, Bluejay.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on January 22, 2019, 01:49:40 AM
Time to plan for this year's EllGab Garden.  Here is a new seed catalogue from Burpee: https://www.burpee.com/

They have a new cherry tomato called Honeycomb Hybrid.  I sure wouldn't mind growing one of those in a pot, next spring: https://www.burpee.com/vegetables/tomatoes/tomato-honeycomb-hybrid-prod500384.html
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: juan on January 22, 2019, 04:00:04 AM
I ordered some seeds from this interesting heritage seed place. They quickly shipped. Can’t wait to plant - glad I’m in Zone 9.
https://heritageseedmarket.com/
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on January 22, 2019, 04:45:18 AM
I ordered some seeds from this interesting heritage seed place. They quickly shipped. Can’t wait to plant - glad I’m in Zone 9.
https://heritageseedmarket.com/

That is a very cool seed outlet, Juan.  I am especially attracted to that African Queen tomato.  https://heritageseedmarket.com/index.php/product/african-queen/
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on January 25, 2019, 02:42:01 PM
I used to get a seed catalog mailed to me from this outfit: https://www.thompson-morgan.com/ But not for many years now.  They still sell onions in their online catalog but they don't show the pic of a man chomping into a big white onion as if it were a juicy apple.  I kind of miss seeing it, actually.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: GravitySucks on January 25, 2019, 02:47:43 PM
I used to get a seed catalog mailed to me from this outfit: https://www.thompson-morgan.com/ But not for many years now.  They still sell onions in their online catalog but they don't show the pic of a man chomping into a big white onion as if it were a juicy apple.  I kind of miss seeing it, actually.

We have sweet onions in Texas that most people call “1015s”. They are ok but not as sweet as I remember the Bermuda onions I ate as a kid or the Vidalia onions I used to get from Georgia.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: juan on January 25, 2019, 05:04:02 PM
I'm getting some sweet onion sets, but since I live a little ways outsize the official growing zone, I can't call them Vidalias.  We'll see what I get in this coastal soil.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: juan on February 07, 2019, 04:53:40 PM
Started planting today. Probably pushing things a little but I am in zone 9.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on February 09, 2019, 01:07:55 AM
Here is a picture and an illustration from the book 'The Cactaceae: Descriptions and illustrations of plants of the cactus family.'  1919.

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Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on February 09, 2019, 01:50:38 AM
Started planting today. Probably pushing things a little but I am in zone 9.

Cool.  I hope that everything grows ok.  Here in the Pacific Northwest, I don't do any planting until the moon starts to wax after March 21.

Most stores that sell garden seeds are offering some good sales on their seed packets.  I bought this packet of Butterfly Weed seeds at Bi-Mart for half price.  I think I'll try to grow some of them in pots, across from my tomatoes.

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You can see the actual seeds at the bottom of the packet.  I guess they want their customers to see what size seeds they will be dealing with.
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Post by: Rikki Gins on February 13, 2019, 11:08:23 PM
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I was taking a walk and spotted an early sign of spring...some blooming crocus.  These two are part of a larger colony and I always keep an eye out for them when February rolls around.  In addition to being a sign of spring, they also serve as a reminder that my beloved Mardi Gras is approaching.  Only this time, Mardi Gras will start on March 1st and not in February.  I guess it's like Easter, the date gets moved around some.  Usually Mardi Gras starts sometime in February.   
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Farm Penis on February 13, 2019, 11:34:08 PM
This is the time of year when I really, really envy you folks down south. Grooaann..
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Post by: Rikki Gins on February 15, 2019, 08:54:10 PM
This is the time of year when I really, really envy you folks down south. Grooaann..

Wow!  Very nice comparison photos there, ksm.  Thank you very much. 
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: juan on February 16, 2019, 06:10:36 AM
My garlic planted from grocery store cloves is coming up. Radishes almost ready to harvest. Peas, Swiss chard, mustard greens, and onions all sprouting. It will be time for tomato planting soon. I’m trying a variety bred to grow in north Florida this year.

Send your thoughts and prayers that I can get datil peppers to grow this year.
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Post by: Rikki Gins on February 16, 2019, 02:57:12 PM
My garlic planted from grocery store cloves is coming up. Radishes almost ready to harvest. Peas, Swiss chard, mustard greens, and onions all sprouting. It will be time for tomato planting soon. I’m trying a variety bred to grow in north Florida this year.

Send your thoughts and prayers that I can get datil peppers to grow this year.

OK, I have prayed for your success at growing the datil peppers, and if indeed you can get them to grow, I will envy you because they sound delicious.  The trouble is, I can no longer consume hot peppers because they cause a certain type of reaction to occur inside of me.  (Not digestive, oddly enough.)  Have you given any thought as to trying to grow the peppers in pots?  I have had some success there, as opposed to growing them in the ground.

I came across another fruit and vegetable label that is more appropriate here in the garden thread.  Especially showing tulips, which are starting to sprout here in the Pacific Northwest.

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Post by: Rikki Gins on February 18, 2019, 10:23:57 PM
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I stepped out onto the front yard earlier this week and found a yellow crocus growing there.


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About three days later, a second one popped up.  But that's it, just the two of them.  I have never planted crocus, but I'm thinking about doing so, next fall.
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Post by: juan on February 19, 2019, 04:21:19 AM
Eating from my first crop of radishes now.
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Post by: Rikki Gins on February 19, 2019, 04:42:02 AM
Eating from my first crop of radishes now.

Yum!  Good going, juan.
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Post by: Rikki Gins on February 20, 2019, 11:25:20 PM
The skies over EllGab Garden - Pacific Northwest have been mostly cloudy with periods of rain and light snow.  But last week I left the garden to take a walk under what I believe is called, a Buttermilk Sky.  I snapped a picture of it.

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Post by: Rikki Gins on February 23, 2019, 08:54:52 PM
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As the title on this postcard states, these are Blue Bonnets, the official state flower for all EllGab Gardens in the state of Texas.  They will be blooming in the springtime. 
https://www.wildflower.org/learn/how-to/grow-bluebonnets
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Post by: Rikki Gins on February 27, 2019, 01:20:40 PM
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I was going to post this fruit crate label in the fruit crate label thread but it seems better suited for the EllGab Garden thread, so here it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldenrod
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Post by: Rikki Gins on February 28, 2019, 01:07:03 PM
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Some Southern Magnolia flowers from down there in Dixie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnolia_grandiflora
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Post by: Rikki Gins on March 01, 2019, 05:25:36 PM
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This postcard shows a W Atlee Burpee's Co Seeds catalog from 1818.
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Post by: Rikki Gins on March 02, 2019, 07:11:12 PM
The EllGab Garden is looking a bit drab of late.  We had some snow and rain and the garden is muddy and colorless.  For that reason I escaped into the house and watched a colorful Mardi Gras parade.  Here are some screen caps from last night's Krewe d'Etat parade. 

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Post by: Rikki Gins on March 04, 2019, 10:30:18 PM
Some scenes from the Krewe of Proteus parade at Mardi Gras.

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Post by: Rikki Gins on March 07, 2019, 12:56:06 AM
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An ad for garden seeds in the March 7, 1919 issue of the Grants Pass Daily Courier.  Courtesy of the Library of Congress.
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Post by: Rikki Gins on March 07, 2019, 06:58:53 PM
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Here is a closeup picture of my Mardi Gras crocus, so named because it popped up in my front yard around about the middle of the Mardi Gras festivities.  In addition to that, purple just happens to be one of the official colors of Mardi Gras. 
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Post by: GravitySucks on March 07, 2019, 07:04:03 PM
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Here is a closeup picture of my Mardi Gras crocus, so named because it popped up in my front yard around about the middle of the Mardi Gras festivities.  In addition to that, purple just happens to be one of the official colors of Mardi Gras.

Nice pic Rikki
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Post by: Rikki Gins on March 13, 2019, 08:28:56 PM
Nice pic Rikki

Glad you liked the picture, Gravity.  Thank you.  I surprised myself with that closeup pic.  Usually when I hold the camera out without seeing what I'm aiming at, I tend to move and get a blurry picture, but I got lucky that time.  Crocus aren't all that big.  Here is a pic showing that same crocus, as I am standing over it, looking down.  That's it in the very center of the picture, and there isn't much left to see of it as it is dwindling away.  I'm hoping to see it again, next year.

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I've got some periwinkle flowers growing in the back EllGab garden.  Not many though...tons of creeping vines and leaves but only a few flowers here and there.  I wonder if the scarcity of flowers means an extra hot summer coming up, or an extra cold one?  I guess we'll see.

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Here is a closeup of one of the flowers:

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Some interesting facts about periwinkle flowers: http://www.gardeningcentral.org/periwinkle_flowers/periwinkle_flowers.html



 
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Farm Penis on March 14, 2019, 01:45:53 AM
I don't know if this picture falls within the threads guidelines but in the case that it gives anybody an ideas on yard framing, it's worth it.  The mulch around our little "dinner deck" is a rubber mixture from Lowes made of recycled tires and rubber products. It's easy to walk on and comes in a few different colors. BTW the area you're looking at is the result of 35 bags...……  Man, I wish they would pack them in bigger bags.  Although!!  I did use the plastic bags as an underlayment to stop any weeds or grass from growing through.

I'm shitfaced and I have to work in the morning so you better appreciate this. Goodnight.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on March 14, 2019, 01:54:11 AM
I don't know if this picture falls within the threads guidelines but in the case that it gives anybody an ideas on yard framing, it's worth it.  The mulch around our little "dinner deck" is a rubber mixture from Lowes made of recycled tires and rubber products. It's easy to walk on and comes in a few different colors. BTW the area you're looking at is the result of 35 bags...……  Man, I wish they would pack them in bigger bags.  Although!!  I did use the plastic bags as an underlayment to stop any weeds or grass from growing through.

I'm shitfaced and I have to work in the morning so you better appreciate this. Goodnight.

It fits in like Flint!  Good thinking on utilizing the plastic bags to keep weeds from growing.  Thank you, KSM.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: GravitySucks on March 14, 2019, 01:58:18 AM
I don't know if this picture falls within the threads guidelines but in the case that it gives anybody an ideas on yard framing, it's worth it.  The mulch around our little "dinner deck" is a rubber mixture from Lowes made of recycled tires and rubber products. It's easy to walk on and comes in a few different colors. BTW the area you're looking at is the result of 35 bags...……  Man, I wish they would pack them in bigger bags.  Although!!  I did use the plastic bags as an underlayment to stop any weeds or grass from growing through.

I'm shitfaced and I have to work in the morning so you better appreciate this. Goodnight.

The end of that second deck board from the right doesn’t lay flush with the sideboard.

p.s. @Sofia pm’d me to say you should have used 37 bags of mulch.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: 26 horses on March 14, 2019, 04:38:04 PM
I don't know if this picture falls within the threads guidelines but in the case that it gives anybody an ideas on yard framing, it's worth it.  The mulch around our little "dinner deck" is a rubber mixture from Lowes made of recycled tires and rubber products. It's easy to walk on and comes in a few different colors. BTW the area you're looking at is the result of 35 bags...……  Man, I wish they would pack them in bigger bags.  Although!!  I did use the plastic bags as an underlayment to stop any weeds or grass from growing through.

I'm shitfaced and I have to work in the morning so you better appreciate this. Goodnight.

Sweet - actual redwood (some cracks) or is it Trex ?
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Farm Penis on March 14, 2019, 07:32:21 PM
Sweet - actual redwood (some cracks) or is it Trex ?
Trex, and I've spaced the planks 3/8" apart for ventilation. I hate the side vents on some decks..  or perhaps just my dads old decks. He was a butcher!
I've dropped two SD memory cards between those tiny spaces as well as numerous guitar picks and coins. Probably could have slipped that fkn pickle through there too.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: GravitySucks on March 14, 2019, 07:44:59 PM
Trex, and I've spaced the planks 3/8" apart for ventilation. I hate the side vents on some decks..  or perhaps just my dads old decks. He was a butcher!
I've dropped two SD memory cards between those tiny spaces as well as numerous guitar picks and coins. Probably could have slipped that fkn pickle through there too.


John Prine wrote a song for you and your wife.

Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Farm Penis on March 14, 2019, 08:28:11 PM
@GravitySucks  That, is actually a very nice song and who couldn't like a stand-up bass :) I actually paused Break On Through for it. And now back to Ze Doors.


Not like you need it:: +1
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: GravitySucks on March 14, 2019, 08:39:15 PM
@GravitySucks  That, is actually a very nice song and who couldn't like a stand-up bass :) I actually paused Break On Through for it. And now back to Ze Doors.


Not like you need it:: +1

I thought you would like it. It made me cry a little in my good eye.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on March 15, 2019, 12:01:39 AM
From the book  "American Honey Plants; together with those which are of special value to the beekeeper as sources of pollen" 1919

I wish I had a plant like this.  I love plants that attract bees.
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Fat chance to get one of these to grow on the west coast.   Apparently, they like to grow in the southeastern parts of the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_filamentosa
 
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: GravitySucks on March 15, 2019, 12:28:40 AM
From the book  "American Honey Plants; together with those which are of special value to the beekeeper as sources of pollen" 1919

I wish I had a plant like this.  I love plants that attract bees.
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Fat chance to get one of these to grow on the west coast.   Apparently, they like to grow in the southeastern parts of the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_filamentosa

They are really pretty when they bloom. I see them along fence lines in the country all the time.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: MAX on March 15, 2019, 04:14:45 AM

John Prine wrote a song for you and your wife.



I am a fan of Prine, he is a classic. We are going to his music festival in November in the Dominican Republic. Good Times.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on March 16, 2019, 08:35:24 PM
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Some blooming oleanders in Florida.  That state certainly does have its share of colorful plants.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerium
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on March 18, 2019, 01:29:42 AM
From the Library of Congress.  The Pensacola Journal., March 18, 1919. 

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Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: juan on March 18, 2019, 05:25:12 AM
OMG, that cartoonis racist, sexist, ageist, and animalist all in one. Isn’t 21st Century mentality wonderful.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on March 20, 2019, 07:19:17 PM
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A colorful Kapok tree from, you guessed it, Florida.  Clearwater, Florida to be more precise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceiba_pentandra
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The flowers are an important source of nectar and pollen for honey bees and bats.  Bats are the primary pollinators of the night-blooming flowers.

Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on March 21, 2019, 02:13:24 PM
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Some azaleas from, where else?...Florida.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azalea
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on March 22, 2019, 02:11:33 PM
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Some star cactus blossoms from Cypress Gardens in...big surprise...Florida.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: GravitySucks on March 22, 2019, 02:17:35 PM
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Some star cactus blossoms from Cypress Gardens in...big surprise...Florida.

Some of my earliest memories (in this life) are of the water ski show at Cypress Gardens in the 50’s. I went back and saw it again in 1978.

Not sure what year this image is from.

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Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on March 23, 2019, 12:55:33 PM
Some of my earliest memories (in this life) are of the water ski show at Cypress Gardens in the 50’s. I went back and saw it again in 1978.

Not sure what year this image is from.

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It might have been a past life memory, too.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on March 23, 2019, 12:57:06 PM
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More flower than fruit, so this label goes into the garden thread.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on March 25, 2019, 12:25:44 AM
Even vintage restaurant postcards can wind up on the EllGab Garden thread.
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Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on March 26, 2019, 08:47:50 PM
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Did you know that the Mocking Bird is the state bird of Florida?  The state flower is the Orange blossom.  I'm guessing that big red flower is from a Poinsettia plant.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: GravitySucks on March 26, 2019, 08:58:41 PM
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Did you know that the Mocking Bird is the state bird of Florida?  The state flower is the Orange blossom.  I'm guessing that big red flower is from a Poinsettia plant.

The state bird of Texas is the Mockingbird as well. For some unknown reason, Florida is one of the states that does not have a state mineral.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Bart Ell on March 26, 2019, 09:01:33 PM
Florida is one of the states that does not have a state mineral.

Meth isn't a mineral?

Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: juan on March 27, 2019, 08:11:17 AM
For some unknown reason, Florida is one of the states that does not have a state mineral.
The only mineral in Florida is sand.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on March 27, 2019, 03:34:21 PM
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Tulips are starting to sprout up here at EllGab Garden - West.  Here are a couple of tulip pics from Michigan oddly enough, not Holland.

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Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on March 31, 2019, 11:35:50 PM
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That's funny.  I could have sworn that these were morning glory blossoms but no, they are from a plant called the Greater Bindweed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calystegia_sepium  This is a very invasive plant and that's why people refer to it as being a weed rather than a flowering plant.  I have read that the bindweed works really good as a laxitive, though I'm not sure what part of the plant has to be eaten in order to gain the desired results.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on April 02, 2019, 04:43:41 PM
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I had never heard of a Jacaranda tree until I came across this old postcard image.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacaranda
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: juan on April 02, 2019, 05:06:34 PM
Four varieties of tomatoes in the ground.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on April 02, 2019, 05:10:36 PM
Four varieties of tomatoes in the ground.

Cool!  I bought a green house rack thing with shelves and a clear cover over it.  I'm going to try to plant some seeds starting with the next waxing moon, come April 4.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: juan on April 02, 2019, 05:12:29 PM
I’m going to try one of those with peppers
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: albrecht on April 02, 2019, 06:18:38 PM
I’m going to try one of those with peppers

I got Cerranos, Japs, Banana, peppers going but have yet to put in tomatoes. What kind of tomatoes? I have to get off my butt and build an effect screen/fencing system because otherwise critters seem to eat my tomatoes (squirrels mainly.) For some reason (the spice?) they don't touch my peppers so I also end up with lots of those but only a few tomatoes.  Also it gets so hot here that if I'm really paying attention even missing a day or two of watering for the tomatoes seem to kill- even varieties that claim great with heat and full sun etc. But in big pots so can dry out. Actual soil here is not soil. I could build some raised beds, I guess.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: PolkaDot on April 02, 2019, 10:05:55 PM
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That's funny.  I could have sworn that these were morning glory blossoms but no, they are from a plant called the Greater Bindweed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calystegia_sepium  This is a very invasive plant and that's why people refer to it as being a weed rather than a flowering plant.  I have read that the bindweed works really good as a laxitive, though I'm not sure what part of the plant has to be eaten in order to gain the desired results.
Ug, bindweed is the worst! The flowers are smaller and the stems are as well.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: juan on April 03, 2019, 04:11:48 AM
So far, my tomatoes are Better Boy, Tribute, Florida Specials (an old heritage, heat tolerant variety) and Louisiana Dixie (another old heritage, heat tolerant variety). All are indeterminate, so I have a good fence.

I’ll be testing some determinates this week.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on April 03, 2019, 12:41:04 PM
Ug, bindweed is the worst! The flowers are smaller and the stems are as well.

Now that you mention it, I do remember seeing some creeping vine plants that looked like miniature morning glories.  They would crawl up my fence but I paid them no never mind because they were so small, and not invasive like in the article.  Perhaps they were a miniature sub species of the bindweed?  If I see them again, I'll take a pic of them.   
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: PolkaDot on April 04, 2019, 03:27:19 PM
Does anyone have any experience with espaliered fruit trees? I've wanted one for years and just moved into our forever home so I'm looking for the perfect spot or spots  ;)...Anyway, I don't have a lot of experience with fruit trees in general and know they can be work. Curious if anyone has any thoughts and experiences with the espaliered trees. Will I regret this?
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on April 05, 2019, 06:40:41 PM
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The cornflower - Emblem of constancy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centaurea_cyanus
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on April 06, 2019, 12:12:29 AM
From the Library of Congress.  The Evening Star, April 06, 1919.

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Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: PolkaDot on April 08, 2019, 08:05:56 AM
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I had never heard of a Jacaranda tree until I came across this old postcard image.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacaranda
You’ll find them Upcountry Maui. So beautiful!!
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: PolkaDot on April 08, 2019, 08:10:22 AM
I don't know if this picture falls within the threads guidelines but in the case that it gives anybody an ideas on yard framing, it's worth it.  The mulch around our little "dinner deck" is a rubber mixture from Lowes made of recycled tires and rubber products. It's easy to walk on and comes in a few different colors. BTW the area you're looking at is the result of 35 bags...……  Man, I wish they would pack them in bigger bags.  Although!!  I did use the plastic bags as an underlayment to stop any weeds or grass from growing through.

I'm shitfaced and I have to work in the morning so you better appreciate this. Goodnight.
This looks REALLY great @KSM32 ! How is it holding up? Is it staying where it should or has it “wondered about” on you?
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: FISH on April 08, 2019, 12:18:16 PM
@26 horses  , thank you for the advise.  This is the first time I used "new unread posts". I have a garden ::). I think I will enjoy this thread.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: 26 horses on April 08, 2019, 12:22:26 PM
@26 horses  , thank you for the advise.  This is the first time I used "new unread posts". I have a garden ::). I think I will enjoy this thread.
You're most welcome, any Rikki thread is a good thread! :)
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: 26 horses on April 08, 2019, 01:31:39 PM
@26 horses  , thank you for the advise.  This is the first time I used "new unread posts". I have a garden ::). I think I will enjoy this thread.
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Just one more thing...the "new replies" tab is highly useful to track who's responding to you directly. I believe the "mentions" tab in profile works best of the other poster puts an @ symbol before your handle.


Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Farm Penis on April 08, 2019, 05:59:02 PM
This looks REALLY great @KSM32 ! How is it holding up? Is it staying where it should or has it “wondered about” on you?
@PolkaDot Thank you, dear. It's now three years and holding up very well with a little maintenance each spring. Snow has just melted and its' ready for a little clean up, not much though.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: FISH on April 09, 2019, 04:04:19 PM
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Just one more thing...the "new replies" tab is highly useful to track who's responding to you directly. I believe the "mentions" tab in profile works best of the other poster puts an @ symbol before your handle.

OK @26 horses , I am learning new tricks in EllGab.
I have a city garden. I live in a row home that is almost 150 years old. My home is a 2 stories house. I have a cellar that runs the length of my home. A nice old small home with a very small backyard. I always wanted a large garden area. Yet, I make the best of this small area.
Across the width of my house, I have a homemade garden container that runs across the width of my house. I grow hops in this container. From the second floor window,  I tie "Hop Twine" to the awnings. I drop the twine to the dirt in my container. I loop the twine around the hop bine. The hop bine will grow right up and above the second floor windows. The hops are coming back to life. I better get the hop twine ready. These bines can grow over 20 feet in one season.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: 26 horses on April 09, 2019, 04:14:45 PM
OK @26 horses , I am learning new tricks in EllGab.
I have a city garden. I live in a row home that is almost 150 years old. My home is a 2 stories house. I have a cellar that runs the length of my home. A nice old small home with a very small backyard. I always wanted a large garden area. Yet, I make the best of this small area.
Across the width of my house, I have a homemade garden container that runs across the width of my house. I grow hops in this container. From the second floor window,  I tie "Hop Twine" to the awnings. I drop the twine to the dirt in my container. I loop the twine around the hop bine. The hop bine will grow right up and above the second floor windows. The hops are coming back to life. I better get the hop twine ready. These bines can grow over 20 feet in one season.

Very cool, so you have an ideal indoor starter area, cool and perfect for seedlings with some LED lighting.

If you can post some outdoor pics that'd be fun to see those babies grow.

My 'gardening'  abruptly ended when I was much younger...

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Good thing my thumb wasn't all that green, no?

 ;)
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: FISH on April 09, 2019, 04:28:24 PM
Very cool, so you have an ideal indoor starter area, cool and perfect for seedlings with some LED lighting.

If you can post some outdoor pics that'd be fun to see those babies grow.

My 'gardening'  abruptly ended when I was much younger...

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Good thing my thumb wasn't all that green, no?

 ;)
cannabis plants? :'(
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: FISH on April 09, 2019, 04:52:58 PM
Hops bines (not vines) grow better with spring pruning. Pruning the hop shoots is so painful for me. Yet I do it.  Some people eat the hop shoots. Pruning tomatoes and strawberries plants is also recommended. I grow hops not only in my backyard but also in a container that stands outside the front of my home. I have a partial brownstone front. I have a container with hops, pansies and some solar lights. In the photo you will see the hops shoots.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: 26 horses on April 09, 2019, 06:51:37 PM
cannabis plants? :'(
Teen follies - soon flushed. ;)

...it looked like a senior biology project I thought...
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: 26 horses on April 09, 2019, 06:53:08 PM
Hops bines (not vines) grow better with spring pruning. Pruning the hop shoots is so painful for me. Yet I do it.  Some people eat the hop shoots. Pruning tomatoes and strawberries plants is also recommended. I grow hops not only in my backyard but also in a container that stands outside the front of my home. I have a partial brownstone front. I have a container with hops, pansies and some solar lights. In the photo you will see the hops shoots.

Beautiful! So do you use them for any home brewing or just what is their consumable value?
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: Rikki Gins on April 09, 2019, 11:28:22 PM
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Not identified but I'm pretty sure these are Forget Me Nots.

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This postcard is just over one month away from being 110 years old.  From Wiki, May 25, 1909:
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Israel Greene, who had led the United States Marines in the capture of abolitionist John Brown at Harpers Ferry, Virginia, on October 18, 1859, died at the age of 85 at his farm near Mitchell, South Dakota.
 
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Post by: FISH on April 10, 2019, 06:52:37 AM
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Not identified but I'm pretty sure these are Forget Me Nots.

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This postcard is just over one month away from being 110 years old.  From Wiki, May 25, 1909: 

I believe you are correct (right). These are forget-me-nots-"Myosotidium". This was my Mom's favorite flower. Her wedding band was engraved with forget-me-nots.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: FISH on April 10, 2019, 08:00:23 AM
Beautiful! So do you use them for any home brewing or just what is their consumable value?
@26 horses , I seem to always have a story for why I do the things I do.  Someone in my family does brew beer.  However, the real reason why I started to grow hops, was it is in my DNA.  I was asked to start a family tree since my family was going to visit Bavaria. There is a hotel/brewery in Bavaria that holds our family's surname. Our surname is not a common name in Bavaria. My ancestors came to the USA after the German revolutions of 1848–49. I started to wonder how to brew beer and how to grow hops. My neighborhood is full of hipsters with their love for IPAs. So our local garden center offered an outdoor "hop class". The class served hop candy, hop soda, hop salad and lessons on growing hops. I attended the class. I only had one question. "Is there a hop plant with an origin to the Americas? The answer was no. It seems that all the hop plants in the Americas came from across the ocean. All our founding Fathers and Mothers grew hops in their yards.
At first, I started growing hops for brewing. I was so surprise at the beauty of the cones. There is a pungent smell to the hop plants. However, I like this aroma. The plant attracts butterflies. The long bines can be grown so quickly to over 20 feet long in one season. The plants hide the unsightly structure of the back of my house. The back of my house was finished off with asbestos shingles. The shingles remain and hidden during the summer months.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: 26 horses on April 10, 2019, 09:59:42 AM
@26 horses , I seem to always have a story for why I do the things I do.  Someone in my family does brew beer.  However, the real reason why I started to grow hops, was it is in my DNA.  I was asked to start a family tree since my family was going to visit Bavaria. There is a hotel/brewery in Bavaria that holds our family's surname. Our surname is not a common name in Bavaria. My ancestors came to the USA after the German revolutions of 1848–49. I started to wonder how to brew beer and how to grow hops. My neighborhood is full of hipsters with their love for IPAs. So our local garden center offered an outdoor "hop class". The class served hop candy, hop soda, hop salad and lessons on growing hops. I attended the class. I only had one question. "Is there a hop plant with an origin to the Americas? The answer was no. It seems that all the hop plants in the Americas came from across the ocean. All our founding Fathers and Mothers grew hops in their yards.
At first, I started growing hops for brewing. I was so surprise at the beauty of the cones. There is a pungent smell to the hop plants. However, I like this aroma. The plant attracts butterflies. The long bines can be grown so quickly to over 20 feet long in one season. The plants hide the unsightly structure of the back of my house. The back of my house was finished off with asbestos shingles. The shingles remain and hidden during the summer months.

Fascinating back story, truly.

So how does a hop salad taste and also the candy?
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Post by: FISH on April 10, 2019, 12:46:47 PM
Fascinating back story, truly.

So how does a hop salad taste and also the candy?
@26 horses , hops have a bitter taste. Hop candy and hop soda will never become popular.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: 26 horses on April 10, 2019, 12:48:15 PM
@26 horses , hops have a bitter taste. Hop candy and hop soda will never become popular.

But in a salad, is it like radicchio or endive?
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: PolkaDot on April 10, 2019, 01:42:11 PM
@26 horses , I seem to always have a story for why I do the things I do.  Someone in my family does brew beer.  However, the real reason why I started to grow hops, was it is in my DNA.  I was asked to start a family tree since my family was going to visit Bavaria. There is a hotel/brewery in Bavaria that holds our family's surname. Our surname is not a common name in Bavaria. My ancestors came to the USA after the German revolutions of 1848–49. I started to wonder how to brew beer and how to grow hops. My neighborhood is full of hipsters with their love for IPAs. So our local garden center offered an outdoor "hop class". The class served hop candy, hop soda, hop salad and lessons on growing hops. I attended the class. I only had one question. "Is there a hop plant with an origin to the Americas? The answer was no. It seems that all the hop plants in the Americas came from across the ocean. All our founding Fathers and Mothers grew hops in their yards.
At first, I started growing hops for brewing. I was so surprise at the beauty of the cones. There is a pungent smell to the hop plants. However, I like this aroma. The plant attracts butterflies. The long bines can be grown so quickly to over 20 feet long in one season. The plants hide the unsightly structure of the back of my house. The back of my house was finished off with asbestos shingles. The shingles remain and hidden during the summer months.

We have a native subspecies here: neomexicanus. My understanding is that common hop is Mongolian- then to Europe-then to the Americas well over a million years ago.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: PolkaDot on April 10, 2019, 01:43:47 PM
@26 horses , hops have a bitter taste. Hop candy and hop soda will never become popular.
It would be very similiar in palate to the weed candies. I wouldn't want it in a salad particularly because of texture.
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: FISH on April 10, 2019, 02:00:17 PM
It would be very similiar in palate to the weed candies. I wouldn't want it in a salad particularly because of texture.
@PolkaDot , at my hop class, they had served a hop salad with a dressing of sorts. Just for you, I will prune some of my hop spouts and take a taste. The spring spouts are like a thin flexible drinking straw. Texture should not be an issue.

Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: 26 horses on April 10, 2019, 02:38:30 PM
Cool video, those purple shoots look like the first thin asparagus of the season!



But as he says, not really the "poor man's asparagus"...looks tasty though!
Title: Re: The EllGab Garden
Post by: FISH on April 10, 2019, 03:05:59 PM
We have a native subspecies here: neomexicanus. My understanding is that common hop is Mongolian- then to Europe-then to the Americas well over a million years ago.
@PolkaDot , you should have taught the hop class. You sent me on a journey learning about "neomexicanus". Thank you.

In the spring of 2010, the Monastery of Christ in the Desert planted a quarter-acre experimental hop yard that included several varieties of hops native to northern New Mexico (subspecies neomexicanus). In 2011 and again in 2013, the hop yard was expanded and several new varieties of native New Mexico hops were added.

https://www.abbeybrewing.biz/
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Post by: PolkaDot on April 10, 2019, 03:44:38 PM
@PolkaDot , you should have taught the hop class. You sent me on a journey learning about "neomexicanus". Thank you.

In the spring of 2010, the Monastery of Christ in the Desert planted a quarter-acre experimental hop yard that included several varieties of hops native to northern New Mexico (subspecies neomexicanus). In 2011 and again in 2013, the hop yard was expanded and several new varieties of native New Mexico hops were added.

https://www.abbeybrewing.biz/
I'm a botany girl that's worked with the local Botanic Gardens and Herbaria and I happened to marry a home brewer before it was the cool thing. Tangent: he was outlowed from indoor brewing within the first year of marriage due to a boil over that stained my granite counter top! I'm still kinda mad about that. Anyway, there are pockets of wild native hops that are coveted around here. It's rather taboo to share where the native plants are found to protect the plants (and your wild harvest).  ;) Locally, spruce tips are popular too if you're doing a wild brew.
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Post by: albrecht on April 10, 2019, 05:22:01 PM
@26 horses , hops have a bitter taste. Hop candy and hop soda will never become popular.

@FISH

Never say never. Think of the salty candy loved by Nordics (NH4C the source of which is naturally found from burning coal dumps and main use is in industrial fertilizers or in Nordic candy) or the various other "acquired" tastes around the world. Apparently there is a "hop soda" that is popular in Sweden, essentially from what I can gather maybe the first "non-alcoholic beer?"  It outsells COKE even.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julmust

Something ate all of my Serrano pepper plant but didn't touch the nearby Jalapeno? Or the nearby Tomato (usually first thing they get) and Banana Pepper.
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Post by: Rikki Gins on April 11, 2019, 12:51:56 AM
I believe you are correct (right). These are forget-me-nots-"Myosotidium". This was my Mom's favorite flower. Her wedding band was engraved with forget-me-nots.

Oh that sounds like a totally beautiful wedding band, Fish.
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Post by: Rikki Gins on April 11, 2019, 01:17:06 AM
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A postcard image of a Myrtle tree.  These are pretty cool trees.  There is a river on the Oregon coast that flows into the ocean, and growing on the bank of that river are nothing but Myrtle trees.  It might be the Umpqua River, but I'm not quite sure.  It was so many years ago that I was there.  Actually it was a full fledged park full of Myrtle trees, I do remember that.  I think it is by the town of Brookings.  (All of the tourist shops sold bowls and salt and pepper shakers made out of Myrtle wood.) 
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Post by: 26 horses on April 11, 2019, 09:40:32 AM
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A postcard image of a Myrtle tree.  These are pretty cool trees.  There is a river on the Oregon coast that flows into the ocean, and growing on the bank of that river are nothing but Myrtle trees.  It might be the Umpqua River, but I'm not quite sure.  It was so many years ago that I was there.  Actually it was a full fledged park full of Myrtle trees, I do remember that.  I think it is by the town of Brookings.  (All of the tourist shops sold bowls and salt and pepper shakers made out of Myrtle wood.)

Do these flower? I know the crepe myrtle does.

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Post by: Rikki Gins on April 12, 2019, 02:34:34 PM
Do these flower? I know the crepe myrtle does.

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Yes, the myrtle trees do flower.  Not too brightly in the wild, but cultivars have nice, creamy white flowers once a year.  The leaves of the tree are very pungent and have a strong pepper like fragrance. (If people with sensitive skin crush the leaves in their hands, they might get a rash.)  The leaves stay on the tree all year long.  Aside from over there in the holey land, true myrtle trees only grow on the pacific coast in Northern California and Southern Oregon.  But what am I flapping my gums for? ha.  Here is a handy link with info on the myrtle tree: https://homeguides.sfgate.com/myrtle-tree-43276.html     
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Post by: Rikki Gins on April 12, 2019, 04:52:03 PM
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This EllGab Garden postcard might be showing something that some of you have on your estates...a rock garden.  in particular, a rock garden that is exhibiting early season blooms, what with the tulips and all.

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Dear Mae,

Isn't this picture just like Maine now???  We are enjoying ourselves.  The weather has been warm and plenty of sunshine.  Had a nice visit with Gertrude and Jane.  They both look right in the pink. 
                                                                                         Betty M.


From Wiki, March 14, 1967:
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The body of U.S. President John F. Kennedy was moved, along with the bodies of two of his children who died in infancy, to a permanent burial place at Arlington National Cemetery, 20 feet from the site where he had been laid to rest on November 25, 1963.
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Post by: 26 horses on April 13, 2019, 09:33:13 AM
Yes, the myrtle trees do flower.  Not too brightly in the wild, but cultivars have nice, creamy white flowers once a year.  The leaves of the tree are very pungent and have a strong pepper like fragrance. (If people with sensitive skin crush the leaves in their hands, they might get a rash.)  The leaves stay on the tree all year long.  Aside from over there in the holey land, true myrtle trees only grow on the pacific coast in Northern California and Southern Oregon.  But what am I flapping my gums for? ha.  Here is a handy link with info on the myrtle tree: https://homeguides.sfgate.com/myrtle-tree-43276.html   

TY Rikki, I recall the southern variant as being particularly showy in blossom. Tis that time of the year!

And, staying in the overall family, how about the gorgeous Texas Laurel?

https://guzmansgreenhouse.com/the-texas-mountain-laurel-tree/

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These things smell like a freshly uncapped bottle of grape soda!
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Post by: albrecht on April 13, 2019, 10:07:25 AM
TY Rikki, I recall the southern variant as being particularly showy in blossom. Tis that time of the year!

And, staying in the overall family, how about the gorgeous Texas Laurel?

https://guzmansgreenhouse.com/the-texas-mountain-laurel-tree/

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These things smell like a freshly uncapped bottle of grape soda!

Mountain Laurels are awesome and don't need much water at all once established and will grow in rocky or caliche without problems. And the blooms do have that smell.
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Post by: 26 horses on April 13, 2019, 10:57:45 AM
I find it one of the most evocative and lovely trees out there, and you're right about low water usage too.

Another boffo one for warmer climes is the Jacaranda:

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https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/ornamental/trees/jacaranda/jacaranda-tree-information.htm

Growing jacaranda trees is mostly a matter of having the right environment, as they’re strictly southern trees that thrive in Florida and parts of (Arizona & Nevada) Texas and California. Gardeners living further north often have success growing jacaranda as a large houseplant, and they have been known to make spectacular bonsai specimens. Jacaranda Tree Information Jacarandas are true southern trees, thriving in USDA plant hardiness zones 9b through 11. Jacaranda tree hardiness is tested when the temperature drops below 15 F. (-9 C.), and they do best above the freezing point. They prefer a sandy soil with great drainage, and show off their lavender blooms best when planted in full sun. They grow relatively fast and will get up to 60 feet tall and just as wide. The spreading branches may fill your entire front yard.

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Post by: PolkaDot on April 13, 2019, 01:06:45 PM
I find it one of the most evocative and lovely trees out there, and you're right about low water usage too.

Another boffo one for warmer climes is the Jacaranda:

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https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/ornamental/trees/jacaranda/jacaranda-tree-information.htm

Growing jacaranda trees is mostly a matter of having the right environment, as they’re strictly southern trees that thrive in Florida and parts of (Arizona & Nevada) Texas and California. Gardeners living further north often have success growing jacaranda as a large houseplant, and they have been known to make spectacular bonsai specimens. Jacaranda Tree Information Jacarandas are true southern trees, thriving in USDA plant hardiness zones 9b through 11. Jacaranda tree hardiness is tested when the temperature drops below 15 F. (-9 C.), and they do best above the freezing point. They prefer a sandy soil with great drainage, and show off their lavender blooms best when planted in full sun. They grow relatively fast and will get up to 60 feet tall and just as wide. The spreading branches may fill your entire front yard.


When I saw the mtn laurel pic I thought it was a jacaranda. There are Jacaranda’s in Upcountry Maui. That’s the only place I’ve ever seen them, so this is interesting. Thanks!
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Post by: 26 horses on April 13, 2019, 01:36:16 PM
Wow, in that climate I bet they are massive and thriving, who knows, perhaps that's where my pic was taken.

Moar:

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Post by: 26 horses on April 13, 2019, 01:41:09 PM
...and while we're at it, how about the red Jacaranda tree:

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Post by: 26 horses on April 13, 2019, 01:42:08 PM
...yellow Jacaranda too:

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Post by: albrecht on April 13, 2019, 02:53:08 PM
I find it one of the most evocative and lovely trees out there, and you're right about low water usage too.

Another boffo one for warmer climes is the Jacaranda:

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https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/ornamental/trees/jacaranda/jacaranda-tree-information.htm

Growing jacaranda trees is mostly a matter of having the right environment, as they’re strictly southern trees that thrive in Florida and parts of (Arizona & Nevada) Texas and California. Gardeners living further north often have success growing jacaranda as a large houseplant, and they have been known to make spectacular bonsai specimens. Jacaranda Tree Information Jacarandas are true southern trees, thriving in USDA plant hardiness zones 9b through 11. Jacaranda tree hardiness is tested when the temperature drops below 15 F. (-9 C.), and they do best above the freezing point. They prefer a sandy soil with great drainage, and show off their lavender blooms best when planted in full sun. They grow relatively fast and will get up to 60 feet tall and just as wide. The spreading branches may fill your entire front yard.


It is so weird how things go. I planted a bunch of Mountain Laurels years ago. In succession. One got yuuuge. One did normal. And one was spindly and then taken out by Harvey. But the odd thing is the huge one had less light but close to roof so got more rainwater, I guess. Strange because I've had some in the back in basically limestone/rock/caliche that I never water (naturally there) and even seen them growing on the cliff in full sun and not much water.  Neighbor grows them from seed but they grow slow, at first. You need to scratch the seed (once you open the pod.) I've done some randomly when I see them and several have grown. No effort I scratched them up and put them in the holes left from Cicadas. But it worked. 

One odd thing. Tenacity of plants. I hate to kill them. But I have a Pecan tree right by foundation so worried (even though their roots go deep and not out) and cut it down every year....but every year comes back. Amazing. How it can have enough energy to keep coming back?

Jacarandas looks good. Builders should use them instead of the Bradford Pears so loved (since quick growth) because those Pears are short lived and always split apart etc (if not really taken care of) in a storm or just due to age. But they grow quick and flower so used a lot.
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Post by: Rikki Gins on April 13, 2019, 03:13:56 PM
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Another early blooming spring flower, the Anemone.  Also, as noted, the state flower of South Dakota.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anemone
 
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Post by: FISH on April 19, 2019, 05:08:15 AM
“April’s full moon is called the Full Pink Moon, heralding the appearance of the 'moss pink,' or wild ground phlox – one of the first spring flowers,” the Old Farmer’s Almanac reported.
According to The Old Farmer’s Almanac, April’s “Pink Moon” is set to light up the sky on Friday, April 19, around 7:12 a.m. EST.
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Post by: 26 horses on April 19, 2019, 08:18:09 AM
Neighbor grows them from seed but they grow slow, at first. You need to scratch the seed (once you open the pod.) I've done some randomly when I see them and several have grown. No effort I scratched them up and put them in the holes left from Cicadas. But it worked. 

Talk about using what nature provides, and a cicado burrow is decent size too. Do you have the 17 year variety?

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Post by: Rikki Gins on April 19, 2019, 11:32:36 PM
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Introducing the Lady Slipper.  Official flower for the great state of Minnesota.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypripedioideae
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Post by: Rikki Gins on April 22, 2019, 11:54:03 PM
The tulips have pretty much come and gone here at EllGab Garden West Coast.

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My own pitiful stand of tulips came up about two weeks ago.  It is the same group of tulips that have appeared without fail for the last 40 plus years I would guess.  Usually there is only one or possibly two tulips that show up, but this year there were seven of them.  We've had a lot of winter rain and I wonder if that is what made more of them grow?

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Here they are about a week later.

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I took a walk in the neighborhood and found some more tulips.  Here are some bright yellow ones.

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Here is a stand of some white, Alpine like flowers growing over somebodies fence.

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Here are the prize winners, in someone's yard, about a mile and a half away from EllGab Garden Central.
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Post by: Rikki Gins on April 24, 2019, 01:31:27 PM
Last Friday I was out working in the garden when I glanced up and saw a white, puffy elephant bellowing at a couple of contrails.  So I got my camera and took a picture of it. 

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Post by: PolkaDot on April 24, 2019, 05:00:56 PM
Fun Fact:

Colorado has over 600 native bees. Most of which are ground dwelling! I didn't even know ground dwelling bees were a thing!!!
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Post by: Rikki Gins on April 24, 2019, 05:10:20 PM
Fun Fact:

Colorado has over 600 native bees. Most of which are ground dwelling! I didn't even know ground dwelling bees were a thing!!!

Not in Colorado but when I was a kid, I was playing in a vacant field when a large bee came out of the ground and stung my left arm.  A day or so later I watched a neighborhood kid playing in the same spot.  He started to wave his arms all around and let out a shout.  Then he started to cry as he walked home.
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Post by: PolkaDot on April 24, 2019, 08:58:19 PM
Not in Colorado but when I was a kid, I was playing in a vacant field when a large bee came out of the ground and stung my left arm.  A day or so later I watched a neighborhood kid playing in the same spot.  He started to wave his arms all around and let out a shout.  Then he started to cry as he walked home.
Ug! That is a bit traumatic!
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Post by: 26 horses on April 25, 2019, 07:55:24 AM
Fun Fact:

Colorado has over 600 native bees. Most of which are ground dwelling! I didn't even know ground dwelling bees were a thing!!!

I for some time have confused them with bumblebees, which they resemnble...slightly...

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Post by: Rikki Gins on April 25, 2019, 03:36:07 PM
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I got my first tomato plant planted in a pot, a week ago Tuesday.  It is an heirloom called Bonny Best.
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Post by: PolkaDot on April 28, 2019, 09:16:33 PM
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I got my first tomato plant planted in a pot, a week ago Tuesday.  It is an heirloom called Bonny Best.
It’s supposed to snow tomorrow. 🙁
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Post by: 26 horses on April 29, 2019, 08:08:02 AM
It’s supposed to snow tomorrow. 🙁

More global warming...for Asstrailer anyway...

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Post by: PolkaDot on April 29, 2019, 09:27:31 AM
32 degrees out. I'm doing plant research to put in a wildflower garden with native grasses. It's nice to dream of gardens when it's cold.
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Post by: 26 horses on April 29, 2019, 09:43:57 AM
32 degrees out. I'm doing plant research to put in a wildflower garden with native grasses. It's nice to dream of gardens when it's cold.

You prolly already know but the Denver Water Dept. coined the term "xeric".

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I think it's darned nice to look at and less work than bluegrass carpetbagging... 8)
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Post by: PolkaDot on April 29, 2019, 09:44:59 AM
You prolly already know but the Denver Water Dept. coined the term "xeric".

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I think it's darned nice to look at and less work than bluegrass carpetbagging... 8)
agreed.
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Post by: PolkaDot on April 29, 2019, 09:46:58 AM
You prolly already know but the Denver Water Dept. coined the term "xeric".

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I think it's darned nice to look at and less work than bluegrass carpetbagging... 8)
This is very nicely done! Love the wooly thyme and the galardia along the path.
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Post by: 26 horses on April 29, 2019, 09:57:40 AM
This is very nicely done! Love the wooly thyme and the galardia along the path.
You know your plants, lemon thyme is another nicely colorful one:

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Post by: Rikki Gins on May 02, 2019, 09:05:23 PM
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My willow tree got clobbered with aphids last year, so last Friday I released a bag of ladybugs, hoping to get an early start on fighting those sticky little bugs.  The only problem is that there aren't any aphids on the tree like there were last year.  The ladybugs have since departed for greener pastures, but that's OK.  I don't like to see them all cooped up in the bag.  It is fun to watch them crawl out and get drinks of sugar water that I had sprayed higher up in the tree.  The only trouble is, I get that Born Free song playing in my head.       
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Post by: FISH on May 03, 2019, 06:37:09 AM
Ladybug ladybug fly away home,
Your house in on fire and your children are gone,
All except one and that's little Ann,
For she crept under the frying pan.
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Post by: 26 horses on May 03, 2019, 09:57:54 AM
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My willow tree got clobbered with aphids last year, so last Friday I released a bag of ladybugs, hoping to get an early start on fighting those sticky little bugs.  The only problem is that there aren't any aphids on the tree like there were last year.  The ladybugs have since departed for greener pastures, but that's OK.  I don't like to see them all cooped up in the bag.  It is fun to watch them crawl out and get drinks of sugar water that I had sprayed higher up in the tree.  The only trouble is, I get that Born Free song playing in my head.       

+1 for Elsa times hundreds!

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Post by: Farm Penis on May 10, 2019, 09:06:36 PM
Picked up this tall very used wood table and chairs today for a steal o' deal from a neighbor :)

Going to have to sand down (way down) the table top and refinish but other than that things just need a little TLC and it's going to be in fine working order :)  I hate sitting to a tall table is like standing at a bar to me :)  Everybody wins!!
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Post by: Rikki Gins on May 17, 2019, 08:07:38 PM
Picked up this tall very used wood table and chairs today for a steal o' deal from a neighbor :)

Going to have to sand down (way down) the table top and refinish but other than that things just need a little TLC and it's going to be in fine working order :)  I hate sitting to a tall table is like standing at a bar to me :)  Everybody wins!!

Oh, that table top is going to look great when you finish with it, KSM.  Nice pics. 
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Post by: Rikki Gins on May 17, 2019, 08:18:20 PM
A storm front rolled in over the West Coast a couple days ago.  We've had a number of rain squalls off and on but nothing major.  I guess the storm has made its way to the Mid West where it is causing thunderstorms and possible tornados.  I took a picture of the storm as it first appeared up in the Western sky.

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Post by: anniem on May 17, 2019, 08:25:01 PM
A storm front rolled in over the West Coast a couple days ago.  We've had a number of rain squalls off and on but nothing major.  I guess the storm has made its way to the Mid West where it is causing thunderstorms and possible tornados.  I took a picture of the storm as it first appeared up in the Western sky.

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I have been rained on this past week.
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Post by: juan on May 18, 2019, 06:43:11 AM
I pulled up the last of my broccoli stalks today and prepped the soil for pepper transplants.
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Post by: Rikki Gins on May 18, 2019, 01:59:41 PM
I pulled up the last of my broccoli stalks today and prepped the soil for pepper transplants.

I envy you.  I love hot peppers but every time I eat them, my psa numbers go way up and my urologist threatens me with surgery.  So no hot chili peppers for me.
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Post by: Rikki Gins on May 18, 2019, 02:01:20 PM
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Post by: ShayP on May 18, 2019, 02:53:56 PM
My willow tree got clobbered with aphids last year, so last Friday I released a bag of ladybugs, hoping to get an early start on fighting those sticky little bugs.  The only problem is that there aren't any aphids on the tree like there were last year.  The ladybugs have since departed for greener pastures, but that's OK.  I don't like to see them all cooped up in the bag.  It is fun to watch them crawl out and get drinks of sugar water that I had sprayed higher up in the tree.  The only trouble is, I get that Born Free song playing in my head.       

@Rikki Gins Out of curiosity Rikki, how does one get a bag of Ladybugs?  Never knew one could get that.  I would, simply because I like Ladybugs and would like to see them around.   :)
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Post by: Rikki Gins on May 18, 2019, 05:09:12 PM
@Rikki Gins Out of curiosity Rikki, how does one get a bag of Ladybugs?  Never knew one could get that.  I would, simply because I like Ladybugs and would like to see them around.   :)

Hi @ShayP.  If you look at the bottom of the picture of ladybugs you will see some plastic netting material, which is actually the top of the bag that I snipped open with scissors.  I tell you what, as soon as the container is opened, the ladybugs go charging out and they get on my hands before I have a chance to attach the bag to the tree.  (I usually take a couple of thumb tacks and nail the bag to the tree.)  I pour some sugar water on the tree, just above the bag and the ladybugs will stop and drink the stuff before moving on.  When I say 'moving on' well, that's what they pretty much do.  They seem to head off for parts unknown unless you happen to have some critical aphid problems, or an excess of other types of insects that the ladybugs like to eat.  Even so, I can often see a ladybug that has decided to stick around, for up to a week or so.  After that, they go though their life cycles and you might wind up seeing a number of generations of ladybugs in one summer.

You might find some ladybugs at a grange, or garden center type of store if you have them there in Richmond.  I get my ladybugs at a local Fred Meyer store that has a garden section.  They hang the pouches in a row (up and down) and they are kind of hard to notice unless you are looking for them.  (They also sell praying mantis eggs but I have never had much luck in getting those to hatch.)  Each pouch holds hundreds of ladybugs and it takes several hours for them to crawl to freedom.  There are lots of dead ladybugs at the bottom of the pouch...not sure how long their transit time is.  Anyway, ladybugs are fun to watch.  Hope you can find them somewhere.  Cheers.         
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Post by: ShayP on May 19, 2019, 07:50:20 AM
Hi @ShayP.  If you look at the bottom of the picture of ladybugs you will see some plastic netting material, which is actually the top of the bag that I snipped open with scissors.  I tell you what, as soon as the container is opened, the ladybugs go charging out and they get on my hands before I have a chance to attach the bag to the tree.  (I usually take a couple of thumb tacks and nail the bag to the tree.)  I pour some sugar water on the tree, just above the bag and the ladybugs will stop and drink the stuff before moving on.  When I say 'moving on' well, that's what they pretty much do.  They seem to head off for parts unknown unless you happen to have some critical aphid problems, or an excess of other types of insects that the ladybugs like to eat.  Even so, I can often see a ladybug that has decided to stick around, for up to a week or so.  After that, they go though their life cycles and you might wind up seeing a number of generations of ladybugs in one summer.

You might find some ladybugs at a grange, or garden center type of store if you have them there in Richmond.  I get my ladybugs at a local Fred Meyer store that has a garden section.  They hang the pouches in a row (up and down) and they are kind of hard to notice unless you are looking for them.  (They also sell praying mantis eggs but I have never had much luck in getting those to hatch.)  Each pouch holds hundreds of ladybugs and it takes several hours for them to crawl to freedom.  There are lots of dead ladybugs at the bottom of the pouch...not sure how long their transit time is.  Anyway, ladybugs are fun to watch.  Hope you can find them somewhere.  Cheers.         

@Rikki Gins  Appreciate the info!  I'm going to look into getting some.   8)