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Title: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Exile on October 09, 2018, 08:57:30 PM
I think I will post pics and write a little snippet about what you see in the pic. I encourage anyone else who is interested in WW II history to do the same.

I'll start off with this pic.

This small tank appears to be an Italian manufactured L6-40 Light tank. By the time it entered service in 1940 it wasn't even adequate for the light tank or recon roll. Lightly armed and armored it was barely suitable for use against infantry.

This pic appears to have been taken in 1944 or 45, very late in the war. It is not clear if this tank was being operated by the Germans or Hungarians. Captured or confiscated L6 tanks were used by the 22nd SS Cavalry Division. Which was composed of mostly Hungarians of German extraction.

Both countries used the Balkan Kreuz as insignia with the only difference being the color.
This example is either knocked out or abandoned. It is being inspected by a Soviet Soldier.

Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: albrecht on October 09, 2018, 09:10:05 PM
I think I will post pics and write a little snippet about what you see in the pic. I encourage anyone else who is interested in WW II history to do the same.

I'll start off with this pic.

This small tank appears to be an Italian manufactured L6-40 Light tank. By the time it entered service in 1940 it wasn't even adequate for the light tank or recon roll. Lightly armed and armored it was barely suitable for use against infantry.

This pic appears to have been taken in 1944 or 45, very late in the war. It is not clear if this tank was being operated by the Germans or Hungarians. Captured or confiscated L6 tanks were used by the 22nd SS Cavalry Division. Which was composed of mostly Hungarians of German extraction.

Both countries used the Balkan Kreuz as insignia with the only difference being the color.
This example is either knocked out or abandoned. It is being inspected by a Soviet Soldier.
Or Croatians?
I wouldn't trust Italian tanks, especially when modified for flame-throwers! Ha. They make beautiful cars and can race but safety and such, not so much.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_L6/40

The redirections and threads boogles the mind. The Balkans are so crazy but I learn things every time going down that rabbit warren. What a screwed up place due to position between powers and due to the ethnic, religious, political stuff. And just personal, with blood feuds, etc. Amazing. I'm prone to throw-out the term "balkanization" when I mention desire of some international, and external, enemies of our country to turn us into it, but always amazed, in doing so, how the real area was/is so much more complex and, frankly, crazy.

Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Exile on October 09, 2018, 09:57:53 PM
Or Croatians?
I wouldn't trust Italian tanks, especially when modified for flame-throwers! Ha. They make beautiful cars and can race but safety and such, not so much.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_L6/40

The redirections and threads boogles the mind. The Balkans are so crazy but I learn things every time going down that rabbit warren. What a screwed up place due to position between powers and due to the ethnic, religious, political stuff. And just personal, with blood feuds, etc. Amazing. I'm prone to throw-out the term "balkanization" when I mention desire of some international, and external, enemies of our country to turn us into it, but always amazed, in doing so, how the real area was/is so much more complex and, frankly, crazy.

To my knowledge, the Croatians did not possess any of these scrap piles. I do know they had a few CV-33 or CV-35 Italian tankettes and apparently they also had at least on example of a French produced H-39 light tank.

Note the Insignia on the tank.

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Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Walks_At_Night on October 09, 2018, 10:15:06 PM
Men and equipment huh?  I do believe that I'll have fun in here.
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Bart Ell on October 10, 2018, 12:45:49 PM
Men and equipment huh?  I do believe that I'll have fun in here.

Oh my!
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: juan on October 10, 2018, 01:54:13 PM
The Germans said the Fiat tanks had one forward speed and three reverse.

I’ve known several hot women from the Balkans.
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Walks_At_Night on October 10, 2018, 04:06:48 PM
Oh my!

I guess I walked straight into that one......................
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: GrumpyOldMan on October 10, 2018, 05:12:27 PM
I guess I walked straight into that one......................

Well, I don't know if I would say "straight"..................... :o
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: PB on October 10, 2018, 06:17:21 PM
I think I will post pics and write a little snippet about what you see in the pic...

I recently learned the allies used a considerable number of gliders in WWII.  The US built 13,000 Waco CG-4As - most were used in airborne troop landings and were abandoned after their flight.

Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: MaxPower on October 10, 2018, 08:33:23 PM
This thread has inspired me to dig out some of my father's WWII details.

He was in the Army Air Corps during WWII and was shot down over Germany and was a prisoner of war. He was a bombardier and flew missions in the B-26. The photo in the attachment below is identified as the "Martin B-26B Marauder".

I think this is a photo card he had of a restored B-26.
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: MaxPower on October 10, 2018, 08:36:17 PM
This is his last mission sheet showing when he went MIA and was captured:
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Walks_At_Night on October 10, 2018, 08:51:01 PM
This thread has inspired me to dig out some of my father's WWII details.

He was in the Army Air Corps during WWII and was shot down over Germany and was a prisoner of war. He was a bombardier and flew missions in the B-26. The photo in the attachment below is identified as the "Martin B-26B Marauder".

I think this is a photo card he had of a restored B-26.

That is really interesting MaxPower.    Thank Heavens your Father survived being shot down and his imprisonment.  My Dad and all of my Uncles were WWII veterans as well and I'll post about their experiences as time allows.

The B-26 was a wonderful airplane.   In case you have missed it, there has been some recent B-26 Marauder posts on the site:
http://ellgab.com/index.php?topic=91.msg71762#msg71762
http://ellgab.com/index.php?topic=34.msg71933#msg71933
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: MaxPower on October 10, 2018, 09:01:55 PM
That is really interesting MaxPower.    Thank Heavens your Father survived being shot down and his imprisonment.  My Dad and all of my Uncles were WWII veterans as well and I'll post about their experiences as time allows.

The B-26 was a wonderful airplane.   In case you have missed it, there has been some recent B-26 Marauder posts on the site:
http://ellgab.com/index.php?topic=91.msg71762#msg71762
http://ellgab.com/index.php?topic=34.msg71933#msg71933
Thanks for the links, I will check them out. It would be interesting to hear about your Father's and Uncle's WWII experiences. Post some of the details when you can.
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Walks_At_Night on October 10, 2018, 09:05:59 PM
Thanks for the links, I will check them out. It would be interesting to hear about your Father's and Uncle's WWII experiences. Post some of the details when you can.

I definitely will. 
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: MaxPower on October 10, 2018, 09:14:06 PM
This is a map of German prison camps my father had in his papers. I think he got it at one of the WWII POW reunions:
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Exile on October 10, 2018, 11:30:45 PM
An Interesting pic here. This is a early model T-34/76 M1940. It can be identified by the small hexagonal turret and the large single piece top hatch that was by both the tank commander and gunner.

These tanks had a decent gun and decent armor for this time period. Their main problem is they spend more time being broke down and under repair. It was quiet common to see tanks carrying at least one spare transmission chained to its deck plating. They broke down every 6-8 hours on average.


Compare this to a American M4 Sherman where 30 hours of constant operation was the norm.


This example was captured by and is being used by Italian troops of the Savoia Cavalry Regiment which was part of the CSIR which Mussolini sent to Russia to fight along side the Germans.

Along with capturing the tank, it looks a nice supply of shells came along with it.
This is one of three documented T-34s captured by the Italians and used against their former owners. Claims that can't be proven have up to twenty of these tanks were used after being captured.
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Walks_At_Night on October 11, 2018, 04:57:48 PM
We've seen some equipment, so let's see some men. 

Here is a picture of my Father, Walks_At_Night Sr.  upon graduation from Naval Training School (Torpedo) at Naval Torpedo Station, Newport, R.I.
The picture was taken in Mid-1942.  His rating in the picture is Torpedoman's Mate 3rd class.  Dad volunteered for the Navy as soon as he could
after Pearl Harbor.  Not so much out of patriotic fervor, although he wanted a crack at the Japanese as did most guys, but out of fear of being
drafted by the Army or Marines.  After high school he had did a stint in the CCC's and ended up with a bad draw - he was sent to Seney way up in
Michigan's upper peninsula.  Their mission was to revive marsh land that had been drained in the 1800's back to it's natural state.  He worked in
mud and water day in and day out for 18 months. So he figured if you are going to war at least have good hot food, clean clothes and dry place to
sleep.   He took a leave of absence from his employer (who held his job for him) and went off to Great Lakes, Ill for his recruit training. Then
he went to Torpedo school for 16 weeks - from what I see in his papers finished 30th in a class of about 180.  Soon after the picture was taken, he
headed  out to the fleet and his war began.   The Navy asked him to serve on Submarines but he wanted to be able to see the sky all the time.  He
wanted PT Boats because they were fast and fun.  I guess they compromised because he ended up on Destroyers for the duration of the war. 

Walks_At_Night Sr.
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I don't have a great many artifacts from his time in the Navy but I do have his note book from Torpedo school - it is pretty interesting.

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My parents were out of their minds.  They had kids in the 40's, 50's and me during the 60's so my Dad was no kid when I was born.
Fortunately he lived well into his 90's so I got to spend lot and lots of time with him.   He passed away a few years ago.  Per his request
he was buried at sea - from a fast ship built to go in harm's way - the destroyer USS Bainbridge.   This occurred in the  Mediterranean
off of the coast of Sicily where he tangled with Axis during the Invasion of Sicily some 70 years previously.

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Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: albrecht on October 11, 2018, 05:39:11 PM
We've seen some equipment, so let's see some men. 

Here is a picture of my Father, Walks_At_Night Sr.  upon graduation from Naval Training School (Torpedo) at Naval Torpedo Station, Newport, R.I.
The picture was taken in Mid-1942.  His rating in the picture is Torpedoman's Mate 3rd class.  Dad volunteered for the Navy as soon as he could
after Pearl Harbor.  Not so much out of patriotic fervor, although he wanted a crack at the Japanese as did most guys, but out of fear of being
drafted by the Army or Marines.  After high school he had did a stint in the CCC's and ended up with a bad draw - he was sent to Seney way up in
Michigan's upper peninsula.  Their mission was to revive marsh land that had been drained in the 1800's back to it's natural state.  He worked in
mud and water day in and day out for 18 months. So he figured if you are going to war at least have good hot food, clean clothes and dry place to
sleep.   He took a leave of absence from his employer (who held his job for him) and went off to Great Lakes, Ill for his recruit training. Then
he went to Torpedo school for 16 weeks - from what I see in his papers finished 30th in a class of about 180.  Soon after the picture was taken, he
headed  out to the fleet and his war began.   The Navy asked him to serve on Submarines but he wanted to be able to see the sky all the time.  He
wanted PT Boats because they were fast and fun.  I guess they compromised because he ended up on Destroyers for the duration of the war. 

Walks_At_Night Sr.
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I don't have a great many artifacts from his time in the Navy but I do have his note book from Torpedo school - it is pretty interesting.

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My parents were out of their minds.  They had kids in the 40's, 50's and me during the 60's so my Dad was no kid when I was born.
Fortunately he lived well into his 90's so I got to spend lot and lots of time with him.   He passed away a few years ago.  Per his request
he was buried at sea - from a fast ship built to go in harm's way - the destroyer USS Bainbridge.   This occurred in the  Mediterranean
off of the coast of Sicily where he tangled with Axis during the Invasion of Sicily some 70 years previously.

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Thanks for his service. I laughed about the CCC gig, that must have sucked in winter and in black fly, tick, and mosquito seasons. and the Naval Compromise. And your comments about your parents being out of their minds for having kids across the decades. Haha.
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Walks_At_Night on October 11, 2018, 06:19:25 PM
Thanks for his service. I laughed about the CCC gig, that must have sucked in winter and in black fly, tick, and mosquito seasons. and the Naval Compromise. And your comments about your parents being out of their minds for having kids across the decades. Haha.

He would have appreciated your thanks but would have told you it isn't necessary.  In later years he was always stoked that Golden Corral gave him a free buffet dinner on November 11th.

Yeah - he didn't have great time in the CCC's.  The black flies are just horrific where he was and the winters would have been brutal.  Even the town/camp was ugly - Germfask

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Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: albrecht on October 11, 2018, 06:28:09 PM
He would have appreciated your thanks but would have told you it isn't necessary.  In later years he was always stoked that Golden Corral gave him a free buffet dinner on November 11th.

Yeah - he didn't have great time in the CCC's.  The black flies are just horrific where he was and the winters would have been brutal.  Even the town/camp was ugly - Germfask

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I was wondering about the awful name, figuring it was just foreign German deal or something. Or back in the days when folks didn't worry that their town names wouldn't be good for marketing, tourism, etc. But the name was taking the letters of each founding fathers of the town surname. This sounds like something figured out over some beers,  late at night and drawn on a the back of cigarettes.

"John Grant, Matthew Edge, George Robinson, Thaddeus Mead, Dr. W. W. French, Ezekiel Ackley, Oscar (O.D.) Sheppard, and Hezekiah Knaggs"
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Walks_At_Night on October 11, 2018, 06:34:24 PM
I was wondering about the awful name, figuring it was just foreign German deal or something. Or back in the days when folks didn't worry that their town names wouldn't be good for marketing, tourism, etc. But the name was taking the letters of each founding fathers of the town surname. This sounds like something figured out over some beers,  late at night and drawn on a the back of cigarettes.

"John Grant, Matthew Edge, George Robinson, Thaddeus Mead, Dr. W. W. French, Ezekiel Ackley, Oscar (O.D.) Sheppard, and Hezekiah Knaggs"

Well how about that.  A Texan just taught me something about the Great State of Michigan that I didn't know.  There was a mad method behind the naming of the metropolis of Germfask, Mich.  I've got some photo's somewhere from his time at Germfask and Seney but this is a WWII thread.............
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: MaxPower on October 11, 2018, 08:37:34 PM
We've seen some equipment, so let's see some men. 

Here is a picture of my Father, Walks_At_Night Sr.  upon graduation from Naval Training School (Torpedo) at Naval Torpedo Station, Newport, R.I.
The picture was taken in Mid-1942.  His rating in the picture is Torpedoman's Mate 3rd class.  Dad volunteered for the Navy as soon as he could
after Pearl Harbor.  Not so much out of patriotic fervor, although he wanted a crack at the Japanese as did most guys, but out of fear of being
drafted by the Army or Marines.  After high school he had did a stint in the CCC's and ended up with a bad draw - he was sent to Seney way up in
Michigan's upper peninsula.  Their mission was to revive marsh land that had been drained in the 1800's back to it's natural state.  He worked in
mud and water day in and day out for 18 months. So he figured if you are going to war at least have good hot food, clean clothes and dry place to
sleep.   He took a leave of absence from his employer (who held his job for him) and went off to Great Lakes, Ill for his recruit training. Then
he went to Torpedo school for 16 weeks - from what I see in his papers finished 30th in a class of about 180.  Soon after the picture was taken, he
headed  out to the fleet and his war began.   The Navy asked him to serve on Submarines but he wanted to be able to see the sky all the time.  He
wanted PT Boats because they were fast and fun.  I guess they compromised because he ended up on Destroyers for the duration of the war. 

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I don't have a great many artifacts from his time in the Navy but I do have his note book from Torpedo school - it is pretty interesting.

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My parents were out of their minds.  They had kids in the 40's, 50's and me during the 60's so my Dad was no kid when I was born.
Fortunately he lived well into his 90's so I got to spend lot and lots of time with him.   He passed away a few years ago.  Per his request
he was buried at sea - from a fast ship built to go in harm's way - the destroyer USS Bainbridge.   This occurred in the  Mediterranean
off of the coast of Sicily where he tangled with Axis during the Invasion of Sicily some 70 years previously.

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Interesting story about your father's Naval service. The record book in the photo looks like it has weathered the time well like my father's service folder. The pages have discolored a bit but everything is still readable after all these years. I can understand your father's desire to want to see the sky vs. submarine duty. I had a chance to tour a sub many years ago and they are a lot smaller and narrower that I thought they would be. Close quarters for sure. Is the USS Bainbridge still based out of Norfolk?

We are in a big Navy town here in Jacksonville, with two Navy bases, and also the Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base about 45 minutes up the road to the north.
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Exile on October 13, 2018, 07:22:40 PM
When you think of tanks you usually think about larger German Panthers or Tigers on the Eastern Front. If mention is made of Poland at all it's usually insulting or derogatory.

Most of what passes for common knowledge is patently false like Polish Cavalry charging German tanks. Do you ever think of these?

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How would you like to fight with one of those little gnats? This guy did.  Probably the first tank ace of WW II Roman Orlik.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Roman_Orlik (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Roman_Orlik)


A size comparison here. This is a TK3 which is the same basic chassis as TKZ sitting next to a twenty ton German Panzer IV. The TKZ weighed in at about 3 tons when fully loaded and crewed. The bravery of the men who went up against machines ten times their size cannot be denied.


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Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Walks_At_Night on October 13, 2018, 07:46:07 PM
Interesting story about your father's Naval service. The record book in the photo looks like it has weathered the time well like my father's service folder. The pages have discolored a bit but everything is still readable after all these years. I can understand your father's desire to want to see the sky vs. submarine duty. I had a chance to tour a sub many years ago and they are a lot smaller and narrower that I thought they would be. Close quarters for sure. Is the USS Bainbridge still based out of Norfolk?

We are in a big Navy town here in Jacksonville, with two Navy bases, and also the Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base about 45 minutes up the road to the north.

Thanks.  Well life wasn't (and still isn't) a bed of roses on a Destroyer but definitely easier than on one of those fleet boats.  Yes, the Bainbridge is home ported out of Norfolk. 
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Exile on October 23, 2018, 08:34:06 PM
The U.S.S. Iowa in drydock. I have no notes as to when or why this BB was in drydock or even if it is a wartime photo or not.

Opinions?

Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Walks_At_Night on October 23, 2018, 09:23:29 PM
The U.S.S. Iowa in drydock. I have no notes as to when or why this BB was in drydock or even if it is a wartime photo or not.

Opinions?

Well all the 5" guns and the 40 MM's are still there so she hadn't been modernized at the time of the photo being taken.

Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Walks_At_Night on October 23, 2018, 09:26:50 PM
Looks like the picture was taken on December 28, 1944.

Here is a another angle

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Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Walks_At_Night on October 23, 2018, 09:50:03 PM
She also sported a bath tub for a time, when FDR was a passenger
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Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Exile on October 25, 2018, 08:58:00 PM
Bummer.

Your pics are missing? Got another link or re upload please.

:)
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Post by: Exile on October 25, 2018, 09:02:11 PM
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This is a Polish PZL-23 Karas Light Bomber. Poland had about 160 of these aircraft. Ground support was their main role and when they were properly protected by fighters were quite capable at this job.

This particular plane was not shot down but was cannibalized by ground crews to keep other planes flying before Poland surrendered in September of 1939.
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Exile on November 02, 2018, 07:51:24 PM
A pretty simple pic showing a French Built Somua S-35 medium tank and a German soldier running. The Germans used about 250 of these tanks after the French surrender.

Anyone care to take a guess at where and when this pic was taken?

Without doing an image search that is.

:P

Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Exile on November 02, 2018, 07:56:22 PM
Time for another guess.

This image appears to be one thing but is actually another. Name these soldiers and what they are doing and I'll see if I can't get you half a Bart Buck.

Guess away!
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: albrecht on November 02, 2018, 08:12:31 PM
A pretty simple pic showing a French Built Somua S-35 medium tank and a German soldier running. The Germans used about 250 of these tanks after the French surrender.

Anyone care to take a guess at where and when this pic was taken?

Without doing an image search that is.

:P
I think I had a plastic soldier in that exact pose as a kid!
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: Kingfish on November 04, 2018, 07:42:30 PM
A pretty simple pic showing a French Built Somua S-35 medium tank and a German soldier running. The Germans used about 250 of these tanks after the French surrender.

Anyone care to take a guess at where and when this pic was taken?

Without doing an image search that is.

:P

Somewhere in the East against the Russians, early 42?
Title: Re: World War II History. The Men and the Equipment.
Post by: WeinerInHand on November 05, 2018, 06:06:56 PM
I binge watched the entire ten episode miniseries Friday night.
 Top notch!

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Post by: Jayzelady on November 05, 2018, 06:56:30 PM


Ok, I admit being from Louisiana I am very proud of our area’s contribution to WWII. The Higgins Boat has been called “the boat that won the War”. I hope you will all enjoy this video on a very important part in our nation’s history. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸