When Mitnik was explaining to George what a "bad actor" was, I expected Mitnik to say "black hat." Very impressive he did not. He did use "red hat" elsewhere in the interview, so it is worth noting he didn't mention black. I think. I don't know. It was all so painful and a waste of a good guest. I always enjoy Mitnik. Just needed a different interviewer.
One other thing I must mention, then this show is water under the bridge for me.
When George answered a caller's query about Richard C. Hoagland, George's voice tone was ultra awkward. Almost like it had guilt stressors in it, if that is the right term.