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Re: Coast to Coast AM with Ian Punnett
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2018, 03:51:33 PM »
 A bit surprised that Ian wasn't aware of the link, at least according to no less than Max Weber, between the Reformation and that Christianity (especially Calvinist) and Capitalism. It is a foundational work in sociology and someone in religious studies would also be aware of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism


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Re: Coast to Coast AM with Ian Punnett
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2018, 05:33:39 PM »
Wow, really fascinating three hours on Salem witch hunt. Well worth hearing if you have Insider.

Turns out there have been a lot of books written in the past 20 years that have been sympathetic to the accusers at the expense of the victims. Vast right-wing effort to side with the religious over the female Wicca?

No, quite the opposite. The accusers were the socialist-farmer class, accusing independent-minded men and women who threatened the groupthink to the point that no one really cared if they were witches or not, they just threatened the social order.

Direct parallel to "Russian collusion" as a means by which to punish those who threaten Social Justice. (Interestingly, first guest from law enforcement made the same point about accusations against police.)

Guest stated that the leftward trend in academia has caused authors to side with the accusers because they were socialists, completely setting aside their religious purge against (mostly) women. Fascinating way the Left now views the Salem witch hunt, and why it's not inconsistent to see them, not the religious anti-witch Right, as the descendants of yesterday's witch hunters.

I like that Coast tends to the Right, and Ian plays along despite his occasional discomfort.

Perhaps, but couldn't it have been just what it looked like - a bunch of religious zealots living in and trying to make sense of a still superstitious world?  That the accused were mostly women and the accusers were traditional within the community hardly proves anything - most witches were thought to be women, and independent women would be viewed as more suspicious.

These early extremely devout protestants were not more fanatical than the people they'd left behind in Europe, it was just that they had a different religion and had been persecuted themselves by the Anglicans in England and the Catholics in much of the rest of Europe.  Science was still new and evolving, and these sorts of non-scientific answers were used to explain the otherwise unexplainable by most commoners.  Heck, they are still accusing people of witchcraft and killing them today in various places in Africa, Asia, and Latin America.

Maybe politics did play into what happened in Salem more than we've been told.  Regardless, why did it take two hours to finally get to the premise?  I realize Ian has four hours to fill, but the case could have been made in a segment or two and it was tedious with him teasing each segment by telling us we may end up siding with the accusers, but taking two hours to get to that point. 

In any event, did anyone end up sympathizing with the accusers over the accused?  Or did Ian just like the idea that they were much like the Democrats of today, twisting everything Trump says or does into something sinister and evil?  I don't really have any sympathy for any of that, and don't quite understand what Ian thought would be appealing about it.

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Re: Coast to Coast AM with Ian Punnett
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2018, 05:40:41 PM »
PS, I wish he'd drop his ''Canadians are tastier'' shtick.  Now he's included it in his intro - it wasn't even funny the first time he said it.

In fact he should stop trying to be funny period.  Some people are and some aren't.  He isn't.

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Re: Coast to Coast AM with Ian Punnett
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2018, 05:44:40 PM »
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Re: Coast to Coast AM with Ian Punnett
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2018, 06:14:41 PM »
Perhaps, but couldn't it have been just what it looked like - a bunch of religious zealots living in and trying to make sense of a still superstitious world?  That the accused were mostly women and the accusers were traditional within the community hardly proves anything - most witches were thought to be women, and independent women would be viewed as more suspicious.

These early extremely devout protestants were not more fanatical than the people they'd left behind in Europe, it was just that they had a different religion and had been persecuted themselves by the Anglicans in England and the Catholics in much of the rest of Europe.  Science was still new and evolving, and these sorts of non-scientific answers were used to explain the otherwise unexplainable by most commoners.  Heck, they are still accusing people of witchcraft and killing them today in various places in Africa, Asia, and Latin America.

Maybe politics did play into what happened in Salem more than we've been told.  Regardless, why did it take two hours to finally get to the premise?  I realize Ian has four hours to fill, but the case could have been made in a segment or two and it was tedious with him teasing each segment by telling us we may end up siding with the accusers, but taking two hours to get to that point. 

In any event, did anyone end up sympathizing with the accusers over the accused?  Or did Ian just like the idea that they were much like the Democrats of today, twisting everything Trump says or does into something sinister and evil?  I don't really have any sympathy for any of that, and don't quite understand what Ian thought would be appealing about it.

Hmm. I will grant you that it wasn't something I'd recommend if you don't like Ian and don't like Trump.

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Re: Coast to Coast AM with Ian Punnett
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2018, 12:58:33 PM »
I may be a heretic here, but I don't like "Deacon" Punnett at all. He seems like a self-righteous little prig, always having to remind you how Christian he is. As a former cleric I am familiar with such types and they can be insufferable.

"Prig: A self-righteously moralistic person who behaves as if superior to others." I think it fits. Reminds me of Dana Carvey's "Church Lady."
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Re: Coast to Coast AM with Ian Punnett
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2018, 01:01:18 PM »
I may be a heretic here, but I don't like "Deacon" Punnett at all. He seems like a self-righteous little prig, always having to remind you how Christian he is. As a former cleric I am familiar with such types and they can be insufferable.

"Prig: A self-righteously moralistic person who behaves as if superior to others." I think it fits. Reminds me of Dana Carvey's "Church Lady."


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Re: Coast to Coast AM with Ian Punnett
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2018, 01:16:39 PM »
I may be a heretic here, but I don't like "Deacon" Punnett at all. He seems like a self-righteous little prig...
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Re: Coast to Coast AM with Ian Punnett
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2018, 02:08:45 PM »
I may be a heretic here, but I don't like "Deacon" Punnett at all. He seems like a self-righteous little prig, always having to remind you how Christian he is. As a former cleric I am familiar with such types and they can be insufferable.

Oh, come off. The good Deacon is nothing of the sort. I'm familiar with the type you speak of, however Ian ain't THAT. He never rubs his crispiness in anyones face - and has a fantastic sense of humour. You just don't like him, and that's your perogative - but he's great in my book!

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Re: Coast to Coast AM with Ian Punnett
« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2018, 02:54:35 PM »
Oh, come off. The good Deacon is nothing of the sort. I'm familiar with the type you speak of, however Ian ain't THAT. He never rubs his crispiness in anyones face - and has a fantastic sense of humour. You just don't like him, and that's your perogative - but he's great in my book!

So noted. I guess you either like him or you don't. He just ain't my cup of tea. I wasn't seeking agreement, I was just stating my impression of him, however biased it may have been.
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Re: Coast to Coast AM with Ian Punnett
« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2018, 04:07:32 PM »
I may be a heretic here, but I don't like "Deacon" Punnett at all. He seems like a self-righteous little prig, always having to remind you how Christian he is. As a former cleric I am familiar with such types and they can be insufferable.

"Prig: A self-righteously moralistic person who behaves as if superior to others." I think it fits. Reminds me of Dana Carvey's "Church Lady."

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Re: Coast to Coast AM with Ian Punnett
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2018, 05:16:02 PM »
... The good Deacon... has a fantastic sense of humour...

Eat Canadians first, they taste better?  Cringe worthy puns? 

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Re: Coast to Coast AM with Ian Punnett
« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2018, 05:25:53 PM »
I may be a heretic here, but I don't like "Deacon" Punnett at all. He seems like a self-righteous little prig, always having to remind you how Christian he is. As a former cleric I am familiar with such types and they can be insufferable.

"Prig: A self-righteously moralistic person who behaves as if superior to others." I think it fits. Reminds me of Dana Carvey's "Church Lady."

It's true that he's incredibly self righteous, and always reminding us he's a Christian, a deacon, a minister.  To me though he distances himself as much as possible from actual Christian faith. 

He likes research into the history and theology, he supports doing good works in the community to help others, and he no doubt loves hearing himself preach from the pulpit, but he sure doesn't want anyone to confuse him with the Christians that actually believe in the religion part.

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Re: Coast to Coast AM with Ian Punnett
« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2018, 07:10:32 PM »
Eat Canadians first, they taste better?  Cringe worthy puns?

He looks like he hasn't missed too many cheeseburgers ...... Pudgy Punnett   ;D ;D

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Re: Coast to Coast AM with Ian Punnett
« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2018, 07:58:52 PM »
Punnet is all about Punnet.  Enough said.