Author Topic: Convince me Covid-19 is worse than the usual run of viral pneumonias, huh?  (Read 18336 times)

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Robert

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They keep adding case onsets outside the look-back window on the graph...but it still shows that plateau in the second half of March.

I've heard said that Covid-19 is not just viral pneumonia, but I haven't heard anyone say what other pathologies it causes.  However, last night on Ben Shapiro's program they had on a doctor or nurse who said the pneumonias she was seeing from it were worse than most she's seen in terms of its effects on patients who were otherwise similarly disposed.

I also get hints that any unidentified pneumonia these days is presumed to be a Covid-19 case.  If that's true and we continue in our current trend in the USA, expect 2020 to have a lower than average total of pneumonia cases, and pneumonia deaths.

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I also get hints that any unidentified pneumonia these days is presumed to be a Covid-19 case.
I got that idea a few days ago when a WFMU DJ I've liked for almost 40 years, Bill Kelly, was out sick and said to have been "presumed" to have this virus.  Now I get confirmation of this phenomenon:

Read the headline of this piece.  Then read the piece itself.  This kid's had a rare and severe seizure disorder all her life.  Then she and her family get a respiratory illness for a month.  She's then treated as presumed to have Covid-19.  (As far as I can tell, that means she was treated for viral pneumonia.)  She then died of seizures.  She and the rest of the family tested negative (presumably by RNA marker sequences) for Covid-19.  A single false negative I could easily believe, but it strains credulity that the entire family would be false negatives.

It's things like this that make it hard to take seriously, or even size up, Covid-19 as a public health threat.  It's circular.  You say this virus strain is widespread and causing serious illness because when you see a viral pneumonia you lay it to this virus.  Then you point and say, look, it's all over the place!

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  Weeeeeellll. If I give up my good parts, will you give me a piece?
Your "parts" were made in China there Sport! 

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Well you'll always have good old SunnyD!

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@Walks_At_Night  Where are you getting these from?  That is just not happening and if it is, somewhere you seem to be getting a great deal of joy from it.

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@Walks_At_Night  Where are you getting these from?  That is just not happening and if it is, somewhere you seem to be getting a great deal of joy from it.

Just type in "expensive Canadian food" and do an image search.

Why would I get any joy on what you pay for Tostito's?

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Don't forget the Spring Water to wash it down with..................

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Just type in "expensive Canadian food" and do an image search.

Why would I get any joy on what you pay for Tostito's?

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Stock guy works the overnight shift and has a blast changing prices for his pictures.
Genius plan!

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Just type in "expensive Canadian food" and do an image search.

Why would I get any joy on what you pay for Tostito's?

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So you're saying that I! am a bag of Tostitos?
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So you're saying that I! am a bag of Tostitos?
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How did you get that out of what I said?  Just go clean up the saw dust from your mitre saw and don't worry about it..................

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How did you get that out of what I said?  Just go clean up the saw dust from your mitre saw and don't worry about it..................
If I was a bag of Tostitos I'd tell you to get that chip off your shoulder!  ;D

Robert

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A week ago I had a heart attack (my 2nd; 1st was 2006), got a helicopter ride to Morristown, and in the cath lab after I was stented I asked a tech about differentiating Covid-19 disease from viral pneumonias generally.  He said that radiologically Covid-19 looked very different from any pneumonias; something about where fluid would accumulate that made it different from either pneumonia or pleurisy.

Everything else I see, though, says it's a type of pneumonia, and from what I can tell, Covid-19 is being presumed to be the cause of all viral pneumonias now.  There's an incentive in terms of Medicare payment for them to presume so.

A friend's living in a county in NE Penna. that's had 2 Covid-2 fatalities.  One of them was the friend's exterminator's friend, 81 YO with multiple medical problems.  He fell down the stairs and broke his neck.  They tested his corpse, found Covid-19 RNA sequences, and called it a Covid-19 death, notwithstanding that he'd had no respiratory signs or symptoms.

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A week ago I had a heart attack (my 2nd; 1st was 2006), got a helicopter ride to Morristown, and in the cath lab after I was stented I asked a tech about differentiating Covid-19 disease from viral pneumonias generally.  He said that radiologically Covid-19 looked very different from any pneumonias; something about where fluid would accumulate that made it different from either pneumonia or pleurisy.

Everything else I see, though, says it's a type of pneumonia, and from what I can tell, Covid-19 is being presumed to be the cause of all viral pneumonias now.  There's an incentive in terms of Medicare payment for them to presume so.

A friend's living in a county in NE Penna. that's had 2 Covid-2 fatalities.  One of them was the friend's exterminator's friend, 81 YO with multiple medical problems.  He fell down the stairs and broke his neck.  They tested his corpse, found Covid-19 RNA sequences, and called it a Covid-19 death, notwithstanding that he'd had no respiratory signs or symptoms.

That is the sort of thing that makes me think I don't know what is going on.

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A week ago I had a heart attack
Shit, Rob.

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Shit, Rob.
Well, what do you expect, just look at my "Santa Claus" picture.  You know the obese are subject to such things.

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Well, what do you expect, just look at my "Santa Claus" picture.  You know the obese are subject to such things.
oh, so I'm the asshole here?