i'm listening to Richard C, it's amazing, week after week year after year he goes on with his fantasies about Martian civilization, he's a pariah even in the dubious world of paranormal hucksters - he's assembled the Mission Enterprise Imaging Team of weirdos who enable him - pouring over NASA images of Mars that show absolutely nothing interesting to anybody but Hoagland the King of Pareidolia who sees what he wants to see. One of his guests laughed and said he wasn't seeing what Hoagland was seeing but Hoagland completely ignored his naysaying.