Aviation Thread

[Uncle Duke]

That collision in Dallas looked really bad, as if someone wasn't looking where he was going. Sure looked like he banked straight at it.

Agreed.  I wonder if the P-63 pilot had a medical issue prior to impact.

[ItsOver]

P-39 Airacobra cockpit - I'd assume very similar to the P-63 King Cobra.  Not a fountain of visibility.


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Yes. Really tragic. Of course, with the loss of life, and then two historic planes, especially the B-17. I’ve walked by the Texas Raiders a number of times at Texas air shows, and seen it fly. It’s even flown over my house. No mas. 

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[ItsOver]

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Dear members and supporters of the Commemorative Air Force (CAF),
 
I wanted to share with you the news of a tragic accident that happened earlier today.  On Saturday, Nov 12, at approximately 1:20 p.m. CST, two CAF aircraft were involved in a mid-air collision at Dallas Executive Airport during the CAF’s Wings Over Dallas WWII Airshow. 
 
The aircraft involved were our B-17 Flying Fortress Texas Raiders N7227C and our P-63 Kingcobra N6763, both based out of the Houston area.
 
The B-17 operates with a flight crew of 4-5 individuals, and the P-63 operates with a single crew member. At this time, we are not able to provide the identity or any personal information about the aircrew involved. 
 
The Commemorative Air Force is working closely with local and national authorities who are investigating this accident.  The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) will conduct a thorough investigation into the cause of the accident. Currently, no additional information is available.
 
We will continue to share information with you as we are able. It is always difficult to share news like this, however you are part of our aviation family. It is important that we support one another in times like this.
 
Hank Coates
President/CEO

[ItsOver]

Here’s some background on the P-63F that was lost. Apparently, one of only two made of that variant.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/corkspotter/45362074605/in/pool-wwiifighters

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[Walks_At_Night]

Pretty wild stuff J-20 out of China.

[ItsOver]

Pretty wild stuff J-20 out of China.

Are you sure those aren’t large-scale R/C birds?

[Walks_At_Night]

Are you sure those aren’t large-scale R/C birds?

Hal Turner confirms the authenticity. 

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/china-s-j-20-stealth-fighter-jet-i-ve-never-seen-american-planes-do-these-things

[ItsOver]

Hal Turner confirms the authenticity. 

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/china-s-j-20-stealth-fighter-jet-i-ve-never-seen-american-planes-do-these-things

Maybe Hal got fooled. If those are indeed the real deal, it’s definitely amazing. I’m also surprised the ChiCom’s would be doing such a flight demo close to and in front of “the People.”

What do you think, Uncle Duke?

[Uncle Duke]

Maybe Hal got fooled. If those are indeed the real deal, it’s definitely amazing. I’m also surprised the ChiCom’s would be doing such a flight demo close to and in front of “the People.”

What do you think, Uncle Duke?

The J-16 is a real fighter, but I don't buy the hovering bit.  Here's an official video from the recent Airshow China showing the J-16 being put through its paces.  If it could hover, I think we'd see them flaunting that capability in what amounts to an advertising video.

[ItsOver]

Listen to the kids.

[Up All Night]

B-17 darn near took out a Stearman/Jenny or some sort of bi-plane.

This YouTube report from ABC7 has the new angle footage. It's credited to Vicki Garcia. (So, you can examine it in slo-motion on YouTube...)

[ItsOver]

This YouTube report from ABC7 has the new angle footage. It's credited to Vicki Garcia. (So, you can examine it in slo-motion on YouTube...)

The pilot of the P-63 was a pilot for United and had a substantial number of flight hours. From looking at the videos and the visibility within the P-63 cockpit, I can see where the B-17 could have been in a blind spot for the P-63 pilot. Even still, if the aircraft had been limited to flying at reasonably different altitudes, a collision could have been avoided.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/he-died-doing-what-he-loved-montgomery-county-pilot-is-1-of-6-killed-in-dallas-air-show/ar-AA146SGu

I’ve watched the CAF do the “Tora, Tora, Tora” demonstration a number of times. I’m sure it’s well-choreographed and rehearsed, even though it can appear to be quite chaotic. Just speculating at this point but it looks like these type of demos need to be thoroughly analyzed from the control and altitude separation standpoint. If something can go wrong, it will, unfortunately. The pilot could have had a medical-type incident, too. I’m pretty confident it’ll all come out in the accident investigation.

https://wingsoverdallas.org/aircraft-posts/tora-tora-tora-2/

[Uncle Duke]

The pilot of the P-63 was a pilot for United and had a substantial number of flight hours. From looking at the videos and the visibility within the P-63 cockpit, I can see where the B-17 could have been in a blind spot for the P-63 pilot. Even still, if the aircraft had been limited to flying at reasonably different altitudes, a collision could have been avoided.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/he-died-doing-what-he-loved-montgomery-county-pilot-is-1-of-6-killed-in-dallas-air-show/ar-AA146SGu

I’ve watched the CAF do the “Tora, Tora, Tora” demonstration a number of times. I’m sure it’s well-choreographed and rehearsed, even though it can appear to be quite chaotic. Just speculating at this point but it looks like these type of demos need to be thoroughly analyzed from the control and altitude separation standpoint. If something can go wrong, it will, unfortunately. The pilot could have had a medical-type incident, too. I’m pretty confident it’ll all come out in the accident investigation.

https://wingsoverdallas.org/aircraft-posts/tora-tora-tora-2/

I've watched that midair at least 20 times from 4 different angles. I'm convinced the P-63 pilot purposely collided with the bomber.  And you have more confidence in the NTSB than I do.

[Walks_At_Night]

I've watched that midair at least 20 times from 4 different angles. I'm convinced the P-63 pilot purposely collided with the bomber.  And you have more confidence in the NTSB than I do.

A Japanese on 4chan had trolled with: "Glad to see that America has finally adopted superior Japanese culture". 

[ItsOver]

I've watched that midair at least 20 times from 4 different angles. I'm convinced the P-63 pilot purposely collided with the bomber.  And you have more confidence in the NTSB than I do.

I’m surprised anyone would say that, at this point, about the P-63 pilot. Maybe something will come out to change things but that’s a pretty strong accusation to make without quite a bit of evidence.