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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2595 on: December 27, 2021, 02:18:48 AM »
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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2596 on: December 27, 2021, 02:24:04 AM »
Once science is politicized its no longer science. A popularity contest is not science. Consensus is not science. Like “vaccines” that don’t vaccinate aren’t vaccines.

Imagine if we had a Covid vaccine that actually worked. You know, created immunity to Covid. That would probably call for a Nobel prize. Funny, I don’t recall any nominations yet for the miracle cure that is the experimental Covid jab. I suppose if we say it loud enough the Democrat media will demand it’s nomination.

For now we’ll just have to settle for the Nobel price winning “horse paste”.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2597 on: December 27, 2021, 02:25:44 AM »
Here we go with the ''animal medicine'' again. 

You know Ivermectin won a Nobel Prize in medicine for the treatment of infectious diseases, right?  In humans.  In 2015, if you want to look it up.

That the infectious diseases it focused on happened to be delivered by parasites, and that it can also be used for animals doesn't make it a ''horse dewormer''. 

That's the sort of dishonest comment someone who wanted to discredit it - and couldn't any other way - would put out.  I'd suggest one way to start to regain the trust of the American people would be to stop lying.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2598 on: December 27, 2021, 01:36:44 PM »
Once science is politicized its no longer science.

The only people that are politicizing science are the anti-vaxxers, because science is not on their side -- actual science, anyway.

So, the newest slogan is, essentially, that anti-vaxxers can cancel science by claiming that it is biased, thereby removing that pesky sciency thing that they don't agree with anyway.  That's really clever.

Did I say clever?  I meant to say stupid.  That's really stupid.

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« Reply #2599 on: December 27, 2021, 01:48:02 PM »
Do you know what people mean by natural immunities?  It means they've already had the disease and their body is now able to fend off new infections of that same disease.  It's the same principle as a vaccine, except it occurs naturally in the body and in the case of covid, it's much more effective.

So, under your plan, everyone gets COVID; millions of people die, the hospital systems collapse in chaos causing a significant number of preventable, non-COVID related afflictions; some people who recover will have lifelong respiratory or cognitive impairment; and all of this for the supremely important benefit of owning the libs.   

I don't think human bodies develop immunities to gonorrhea, but I'm not sure, you'll have to check.

"Immunity" there, Mr. Science.  Not "immunities."

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2600 on: December 27, 2021, 02:30:44 PM »
Here we go with the ''animal medicine'' again. 

It might be because that is exactly what I was referring to: people who can't get prescriptions for Ivermectin (because no ethical physician would prescribe it for COVID, or because they don't know any better)  mosey on down to the livestock supply, buy compounds that are made for use with horses, are specifically labeled as not being fit for human consumption, because they are formulations made for animals and not humans.  That is what I was referring to with what I said: people buying and consuming horse dewormer instead of getting a free vaccine.

You know Ivermectin won a Nobel Prize in medicine for the treatment of infectious diseases, right?  In humans.  In 2015, if you want to look it up.

That the infectious diseases it focused on happened to be delivered by parasites, and that it can also be used for animals doesn't make it a ''horse dewormer''. 

Let's break this down.  First, a medicine can't win a Nobel Prize.  Only humans.  Second, the humans involved did not "win" the Nobel Prize.  The two of them shared it with another person who made a different discovery (they got half; she got half).  Third, the medicine that they discovered was Avermectin.  Ivermectin is a derivative of that medicine.  Fourth, Ivermectin was originally introduced as a veterinary drug.  It wasn't until seven years later that clinical usage on humans began.  Fifth, it doesn't "focus" (whatever the fuck that means) on "infectious diseases," it is an anti-parasitic.  The "infection" is a parasitic worm, not a virus.  That's what it does, kill off the worms.  A dewormer, if you prefer.  Ivermectin has been around for 46 years, and for the first 45 of them was never even considered as an immune system booster.  I WONDER WHY THAT WOULD BE.  Ironically, you have the answer rattling around in your head; just go back and read your earlier post about "natural immunity."  HINT: it's different than anti-parasitics.

So there are five lies, which is a lot for two brief lines to carry.  I don't believe that they are your lies, but rather lies that you copied from some anti-vax source with one hand while furiously stroking your "IT'S A NOBEL PRIZE WINNER" boner with the other.  There is a delicious irony in watching someone so invested in discrediting medical professionals deep throat the credibility of a Nobel Prize like it is a ventilator in the ICU -- a Prize that is awarded based on....wait for it....the opinions of medical professionals.  Anti-vaxxers!  What are you going to do?

That's the sort of dishonest comment someone who wanted to discredit it - and couldn't any other way - would put out.  I'd suggest one way to start to regain the trust of the American people would be to stop lying.

...quoth the man who just repeated five lies by the anti-vax crowd.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2601 on: December 27, 2021, 03:22:32 PM »
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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2603 on: December 27, 2021, 04:31:23 PM »
Ivermectin’s role as an antiviral has been known and studied since at least 2012.  In 2020 the researchers threw it in a dish of Covid and it had the same effect in vitro as it did against other viruses they had tested.

It’s not like someone walked around a feed store saying I wonder if any of this stuff will work. 

When all is said and done, it will be shown that nobody within the CDC wanted an effective therapeutic for treatment of Covid. If there was a therapeutic option, the way the law is written now, they could not have given an emergency use authorization for an experimental vaccine (let alone 3 of them). Now that big pharma has a dog in the fight (meaning their new treatments are still under patent) it’s all about rushing to give emergency use authorization - without the multi decade safety record involving billions of patients that have taken drugs like HCQ and ivermectin.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2604 on: December 27, 2021, 04:53:19 PM »
The only people that are politicizing science are the anti-vaxxers, because science is not on their side -- actual science, anyway...

Wrong.  This is an example of what happens when you only listen to one side.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2605 on: December 27, 2021, 04:54:48 PM »
So, under your plan, everyone gets COVID; millions of people die, the hospital systems collapse in chaos causing a significant number of preventable, non-COVID related afflictions; some people who recover will have lifelong respiratory or cognitive impairment; and all of this for the supremely important benefit of owning the libs...

Actually, no.  Under my ''plan'', the 100 million or so Americans who've had covid are no longer hassled.  Because they don't need the vaccine.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2606 on: December 27, 2021, 04:58:50 PM »
... "Immunity" there, Mr. Science.  Not "immunities."

...So, under your plan, everyone gets COVID; millions of people die, the hospital systems collapse in chaos...

This morning you didn't even know what natural immunity meant (based on the above, I'm guessing you still don't).  You thought everyone who felt they didn't need the vax was some toothless hillbilly Trumper drinking ''horse paste''.

Instead of correcting my grammar, why aren't you furious with the media, the Biden administration, and the big tech censors for keeping information about natural immunity from you?  It's not like they haven't had the chance to bring it up for discussion.  Nope, once indoctrinated, you just double down with more foolishness.  So much for ''following the science'', right?

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2607 on: December 27, 2021, 05:12:24 PM »
It might be because that is exactly what I was referring to: people who can't get prescriptions for Ivermectin (because no ethical physician would prescribe it for COVID, or because they don't know any better)  mosey on down to the livestock supply, buy compounds that are made for use with horses, are specifically labeled as not being fit for human consumption, because they are formulations made for animals and not humans.  That is what I was referring to with what I said: people buying and consuming horse dewormer instead of getting a free vaccine...

Actually, physicians have prescribed Ivermectin for covid.  So people with medical degrees and actual patients and experience with patients think it may help in certain cases.  Just so you know. 

I wonder how many people have actually gone down to the feed store and taken medicines meant for horses?  I'm guessing very few.

Perhaps less misinformation and less censorship would clear things up.  That's why we used to have free speech and a free press - to ultimately reach the truth. 




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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2608 on: December 27, 2021, 05:36:27 PM »
The only people that are politicizing science are the anti-vaxxers, because science is not on their side -- actual science, anyway.

So, the newest slogan is, essentially, that anti-vaxxers can cancel science by claiming that it is biased, thereby removing that pesky sciency thing that they don't agree with anyway.  That's really clever.

Did I say clever?  I meant to say stupid.  That's really stupid.

Which of the following best defines science?

a)  Bureaucratic decrees, followed by censorship, followed by mandates that only consider government approved opinion

b)  Knowledge about or study of the natural world based on facts learned through experiments and observation

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« Reply #2609 on: December 27, 2021, 05:53:37 PM »
The only people that are politicizing science are the anti-vaxxers, because science is not on their side -- actual science, anyway...

When the teacher's union lobbies the CDC to continue school closures - and the CDC had known for a year that children are at a very low risk of contracting covid or spreading it, and are ready to open schools - and the CDC complies due to the teacher's union's support for the right political party, is that science?  Is it ''politicizing'' ''the science''?

https://nypost.com/2021/05/01/teachers-union-collaborated-with-cdc-on-school-reopening-emails/

What about requiring these same children to take the vaccine?  A vaccine under Emergency Use Authorization, that hasn't gone through the normally required FDA clinical trials? 

How about the CDC changing the definition of vaccine?  Or changing the definition of gain of function?  For political reasons?

I could go on.  All just ''science''?