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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2610 on: December 27, 2021, 05:54:29 PM »
Oh my.
The ironing is delicious.

Don't burn your tongue on the iron   :o

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2611 on: December 27, 2021, 06:00:34 PM »
Ivermectin’s role as an antiviral has been known and studied since at least 2012.  In 2020 the researchers threw it in a dish of Covid and it had the same effect in vitro as it did against other viruses they had tested.

Well.  Color me impressed.  "The researchers" threw it in a "dish of Covid"?  Can't argue with that methodology.

Do you even have any idea how these things work?  What is the mechanism for how it would detect a COVID virus?  What's the mechanism for how it either neutralizes it or breaks the virus apart?  The description above of how it was deemed efficacious is so fantastically vague that it could have been written by The Onion.

It’s not like someone walked around a feed store saying I wonder if any of this stuff will work. 

I guess that's kinda true.  What actually happened was that misinformation was spread to gullible anti-vaxxers/MAGA hatters/conspiracy retards who walked into a feed store and took a medicine with a dosage double-digit multiples of what the FDA has approved as a safe limit for humans.  I guess that's the price you pay for MAH FREEDOMS.

When all is said and done, it will be shown that nobody within the CDC wanted an effective therapeutic for treatment of Covid.

That would be true if you appended the words "...which involved the administration of Ivermetcin."  Because it is a sham cooked up by kooks and weirdos and opportunists, not exactly the best crowd to be involved in the development and testing of medicines.

By the way, who exactly is it that manufactures Ivermetcin?  Would that be Big Pharma, or does it rain freely from the sky?  Imagine, Merck and the others giving up billions in sales of Ivermetcin when there were yet to be vaccines, just because they are that evil.  Did you know that Merck donated all the ivermectin needed to eradicate river blindness? And that ten years later, they donated the ivermectin used to treat lymphatic filariasis?  Utterly diabolical, those Big Pharma guys.  All they care about is making money.

If you want to know more about those "studies," check out this:

"Several other studies that claim a clinical benefit for ivermectin are similarly fraught, and contain impossible numbers in their results, unexplainable mismatches between trial registry updates and published patient demographics, purported timelines that are not consistent with the veracity of the data collection, and substantial methodological weaknesses."

...or this:

"[M]ore than a third of 26 major trials of the drug for use on Covid have serious errors or signs of potential fraud. None of the rest show convincing evidence of ivermectin's effectiveness."

Or you can bury your head in the sand like Gd5150.  Happy digging.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2612 on: December 27, 2021, 06:26:07 PM »
... By the way, who exactly is it that manufactures Ivermetcin?  Would that be Big Pharma, or does it rain freely from the sky?  Imagine, Merck and the others giving up billions in sales of Ivermetcin when there were yet to be vaccines, just because they are that evil....

Well, Ivermectin never was very expensive.  Even less so now since it's off-patent, which means no one is going to make much from it anymore, so you can take that argument off the table.

Lol.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2613 on: December 27, 2021, 10:58:26 PM »
no one is going to make much from it anymore

So -- let's all use Ivermectin, which no one is going to make anymore because it is inexpensive.  Got it.

As I said, I have no more fucks to give.  Take horse dewormer as a suppository for all I care.

Real-time Darwin herewith presented.  The average intelligence of the USA is going to be higher after the pandemic ends.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2614 on: December 28, 2021, 12:12:13 AM »
So -- let's all use Ivermectin, which no one is going to make anymore because it is inexpensive.  Got it.

As I said, I have no more fucks to give.  Take horse dewormer as a suppository for all I care...

I'm not advocating for Ivermectin, vaccines, or any of it, since actual data is apparently forbidden.  I'm advocating for open discussion and honesty - you know, the science.

Too much to expect, I know.

But if you want to be a member of the Fauci cult, feel free, he's doing a swell job.


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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2615 on: December 28, 2021, 12:30:18 AM »
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Gee, those vaccines are some great stuff.  According to this chart they appear to prevent deaths from non-covid related factors too.  And by a 2 to 1 margin. 

Nothing fishy about that.  I'm sure the information on the graph is very scientific, 'cause when it comes to Covid these otherwise very political people are all about the science.

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« Reply #2616 on: December 28, 2021, 01:45:17 AM »
I'm not advocating for Ivermectin, vaccines, or any of it, since actual data is apparently forbidden.  I'm advocating for open discussion and honesty - you know, the science.

I stand shoulder to shoulder with you about this.

Except that you dismiss anything that is actual science as fake news or some conspiracy retardedness.  So there we are.  You want to virtue signal about how objective you are, when just about anyone who know you here realizes that you are about a -5 on a scale of 1 to 10 regarding objectiveness.  You made it, deal with it.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2617 on: December 28, 2021, 01:51:12 AM »
Gee, those vaccines are some great stuff.  According to this chart they appear to prevent deaths from non-covid related factors too.  And by a 2 to 1 margin. 

Nothing fishy about that.  I'm sure the information on the graph is very scientific, 'cause when it comes to Covid these otherwise very political people are all about the science.

So, let's recap: Ivermectin is a wonder drug for parasitic infections; it's an unappreciated and unproven medicine for both the prevention and therapy of COVID; it is also a tasty desert topping and an excellent floor polish.

But the vaccines, which reduce the incidents of death with those having complicated factors, are a sham, a fraud, very fishy.

Why don't you anti-vax retards just kill yourselves and save us all the trauma of going through it?  Your local hospital system approves this message.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2618 on: December 28, 2021, 03:01:25 AM »
CDC     effective therapeutic    experimental vaccine emergency use authorization  HCQ and ivermectin.

I believe the squatter paste is making you play the rabbit holer greatest hits, Mr. Sucks.

Let's focus on your squatter paste claims.

Ivermectin’s role as an antiviral has been known and studied since at least 2012.

It was studied in a very real clinical trial and... guess what? STOPPED FOR FUTILITY.
Your beloved hydroxychloroquine? STOPPED FOR FUTILITY.
Another repurposed drug, Fluvoxamine, was stopped, too... STOPPED FOR SUPERIORITY.

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https://www.togethertrial.com/trial-specifications

Fluvoxamine, like squatter paste, is very cheap and ticks all the same boxes.

What does that mean? The Big Pharma and CDC Rabbit Holer talking points fall to shit... STOPPED FOR FUTILITY.

Fluvoxamine is everything you pretended the squatter paste was but mectheads will never let facts change their minds.

Mectheads will now attack Fluvoxamine because admitting they were wrong is worse than dying at the alter of the paste.

The problem is you jumped on the squatter paste horse early and decided to wear the same blinders the horsie was wearing.

Merck told you squatter paste did shit but you ignored it because of blind faith.
The McMaster trial told you it did shit but you held out for that sweet, sweet mectin.
If you "did your own research" like rabbit holers love to claim then you would have been all over Fluvoxamine.
Fluvoxamine could probably cheer you up, too.

So here we are...
The genius award winners who made the paste told you, the McMaster trial confirmed it but you heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from the Backline Smoking Nurses.

https://time.com/6092368/americas-frontline-doctors-covid-19-misinformation/


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« Reply #2619 on: December 28, 2021, 03:04:18 AM »
Join me in a laugh.

It looks like we found a New Falkie, @HamsterMuscle

He plays with toys made for children and when he gets called for posting absolute nonsense he creates a safe fortress to hide in.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2620 on: December 28, 2021, 07:54:06 AM »
... Except that you dismiss anything that is actual science as fake news or some conspiracy retardedness...

When did I do that?

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2621 on: December 28, 2021, 07:59:06 AM »
... But the vaccines, which reduce the incidents of death with those having complicated factors, are a sham, a fraud, very fishy...

Well, I just said fishy.  We're going to need more data before trusting a chart someone put on the internet claiming the vaccine prevents other than covid deaths.

For starters who put out the charts?  What research was this based on?  What sorts of non-covid related deaths are they claiming to have reduced?  How does the vax work on these non-covid issues?

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2622 on: December 28, 2021, 08:12:36 AM »
... Why don't you anti-vax retards just kill yourselves and save us all the trauma of going through it?...

So everyone with natural immunity (have we forgotten what that is so soon?), millions of people, should get injected with a vaccine approved under Emergency Use Authorization (instead of FDA clinical trials) - with side effects for some that include death - they don't need, because ''the science'' says one size fits all?

Fauci should go back to torturing beagles, and leave the rest of us alone.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2623 on: December 28, 2021, 08:24:59 AM »
(instead of FDA clinical trials)

The FDA does not conduct clinical trials.
Now it's like you are not even trying.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2624 on: December 28, 2021, 09:27:21 AM »
So, let's recap: Ivermectin is a wonder drug for parasitic infections; it's an unappreciated and unproven medicine for both the prevention and therapy of COVID; it is also a tasty desert topping and an excellent floor polish.

But the vaccines, which reduce the incidents of death with those having complicated factors, are a sham, a fraud, very fishy.

Why don't you anti-vax retards just kill yourselves and save us all the trauma of going through it?  Your local hospital system approves this message.

Please explain the mental gymnastics you put yourself through to quantify and assess the long term risks associated with any of the available Covid vaccines. There is no data on long term risks.  Not yet.

You’ve called me an anti-vaxxer more than once. Does that mean I didn’t really get the vaccine?  Damn. Drove all that way to make my appointment for nothing.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer. I’m anti-mandatory vaccine using an experimental vaccine with limited shelf life. And no provisions for granting a waiver for natural immunity due to previous infection.  I believe every individual should be able to make up their own mind. Right wrong or indifferent. 

2 years into this and the government still hasn’t issued formal common sense guidelines for prophylactic measures which could greatly reduce the risk of hospitalization/death. Lose weight. Exercise daily. Take vitamin C, D, zinc, magnesium. Add in others that hold promise as immune system boosters. Turkey tail and agarikon mushrooms. Quercetin.

You beat your chest about unvaccinated overloading existing hospital capacity. We have had 2 fucking years to expand ICU capacity. We built dozens of field hospitals across the country to accommodate the sick.  All the government has done is dismantle those perfectly adequate field hospitals and refuse to expand existing ICU space. And to top it off, let’s fire healthcare workers that refuse to get the vaccine. These same people that have been risking their lives and their family’s lives by treating the sick for 2 years. Many, in fact most, of whom have already contracted Covid at least once, are now considered unclean and anti-vaxxers. So today we have staffing shortages in many hospitals. These same unvaccinated frontline health care workers that were being lauded for showing up day after day.

I wasn’t going to get vaccinated. I looked at my individual situation. I’m not going to have any more kids. Not worried about passing on some future genetic malady caused by an experimental vaccine. I was one of the lab rats that had to take the Swine Flu vaccine back in 1976. Got sick as a dog and missed several days of work. Got sick the next several years every time I was required to get a flu shot. Haven’t had a flu shot since I got out of the Air Force. When the vaccines were made available it started occupying too much time and space inside my head as to whether or not I should get one.  After several months of watching real world results of each of the 3 vaccines available in the US, I made my decision. If I had contracted Covid prior to getting the vaccine, I would not have gotten it. If I was of child bearing age and had plans for children I probably would not have gotten one voluntarily.

So months after getting the vaccine I contract Covid. What’s a person to do? Can’t run down and take the other vaccines just because the vaccine I happened to choose isn’t really effective at preventing Covid infection. WHAT???? The government TOLD me the vaccinated wouldn’t get or transmit the virus.  So it’s time to seek treatment. Luckily I live in Texas.  Doctors here are pretty much free to prescribe medications off-label. Getting a pharmacy to fill the prescription isn’t always easy, but so far so good. Monoclonal antibodies are available but in limited supply and the fact that I tested positive at 1pm on Christmas Eve kind of complicated the situation. Knowing that if ivermectin was going to have the best chance of working if taken early, I chose to go that route. Within 6 hours my symptoms stopped getting worse and I had noticeable improvement.

I very well may have kicked it on my own without ivermectin. I had been vaccinated. I’m on the low end of BMI so obesity is not a concern. I have been on a daily regimen of immune system builders since March of 202. We’ll never know. I do firmly believe that ivermectin stopped Covid in its tracks for me.  I had felt something coming on sometime on Thursday. I couldn’t find an at home test so I picked up an O2meter. It was 98. By noon on Christmas Eve I was starting to get pretty sick and tracked down a test kit. My O2 had dropped down to 90-92. After testing positive, and having discussions with my medical professionals, I chose to start ivermectin instead of going to a crowded ER on Christmas Eve on the outside chance I could find some monoclonal antibodies. In 5-6 hours my symptoms stopped getting worse. I slept pretty good that night but bronchitis in one lung kept troubling me when I would cough. By 9am on Christmas morning I was feeling pretty good. The flu-like achy feeling throughout my body was gone.  By 36 hours I knew I had made the right decisions along the way. And by that, I mean all of the decisions. Losing weight and getting back in shape. Getting vaccinated when I did with the vaccine I chose. Building my immune system. And taking ivermectin tablets. Not squatter paste. Ivermectin tablets that doctors in Texas can freely prescribe. Although I now have several tubes of both unflavored and apple flavored paste available which I won’t need to keep carrying with me when I travel.

p.s. it’s only tasty as a dessert topping if you can find the apple flavored paste.
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