2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading

[HamsterMuscle]

I taught survival in the Air Force.

Which was the style at the time.

So, how about choosing to drink it voluntarily to prevent infection by a virus?

Also, this:

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[GravitySucks]

That wasn’t the only totally useless training that I had to give to the aircrews.

One of the more interesting but totally useless classes was Fighter Aircraft Recognition. This class had to be attended twice a year for every aircrew member that was on active flight status. This was before the internet and widely disseminated imagery. And the training was limited to the “Secret” classification level. Meaning that is we had top secret images of the latest Soviet fighter we couldn’t use them.

The number one source for our imagery was Aviation Week magazine. Number two was Janes: All the World’s Aircraft. We would scour every issue going back years looking for pictures of Soviet fighters from different angles. I would cut out the pictures, glue them to a sheet of card stock and then go to the base photo hobby shop with my 35mm Yashica camera and shoot slides of each photo. Most of these photos were from the Paris Air Shows.

This class was good in theory.

The Soviet missiles in use back then ranged from the AA-2 Atoll which was reverse engineered from our sidewinder to the AA-8 Aphid. All of these had ranges that allowed them to be fired from far enough away that there would be no visual sighting. Plus the best way to attack using any of the missiles is from behind and slightly below the target. The aircrews would never see the fighter. The recovered black boxes from KAL 007 that was shot down confirmed the crew never knew they had been targeted.

The FB-111 was equipped with an electronics package called RHAWS gear. Radar Homing and Warning System. It “listened” for radar signals and played a tone that could be equated to the frequency and scan rate of the enemy’s radar. The crew’s received extensive training in these tones so that they could tell which type of aircraft or ground radar was painting them and take appropriate evasive action if the radar switched from early warning to target acquisition mode. Same for the air to air missiles that had active homing instead of heat seekers. Guaranteed this is the only way, if any, that the aircrews would know their was a fighter in their vicinity.

How can I guarantee this?  Well the only thing that FB-111s were tasked as a mission was to penetrate Soviet defenses to drop nuclear weapons. Some were gravity bombs. Some were SRAMs. Short Range Attack Missiles. It was a given that this would be in the middle of a total all out nuclear war. Crews lived in an alert facility at the end of the flight line with several alert aircraft fully loaded with fuel and nuclear weapons awaiting defcon orders for an EWO (Emergency War Orders) takeoff. The two man crews each wore helmets with flash blindness goggles that would hopefully protect them from the flash of nuclear weapons while en route.  But for utmost safety in a radioactive environment the FB-111 was also equipped with flash blindness curtains that the crew would place over all of the windows as soon as they took off and raised their landing gear. The rest of the mission was flown using just the radar screens and instruments.

The crews knew this and would give me shit in every class about how useless this training was. Some colonel, maybe even the wing commander told us to liven up the slide show to keep the attention of the aircrews. Back to the photo hobby shop I went armed with my yashica camera and a stack of playboy magazines. Soon every 9th or 10th slide in the circular slide carousel was a center fold from playboy.  Certainly couldn’t do that in today’s woke military.

Not to be outdone in foolishness, about 2 years into this the Air Force instituted a new training requirement  called Naval Ship Recognition. Well the aircrews hated this even more. At least when they were looking at a picture of a Foxbat they could imagine flying the thing. Pictures of Soviet trawlers just didn’t have the same pizazz. We had the same challenge acquiring photos and the same flash blindness curtains would prevent the aircrews from ever seeing a ship.  We did reuse the centerfolds.

[GravitySucks]

Which was the style at the time.

So, how about choosing to drink it voluntarily to prevent infection by a virus?

Also, this:

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Why would I drink my own urine?  I have ivermectin.

[HamsterMuscle]

Soon every 9th or 10th slide in the circular slide carousel was a center fold from playboy. 

Say, that's a great idea to freshen up the bar toilet stank that PB leaves when he posts. 

Here, I'll go first:

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[HamsterMuscle]

Well, like I said, maybe it was.  But again, the issue is that the retraction came during a time of canceling, censorship, and gross dishonesty - which just makes it very difficult to determine motivation in this case and determine what is the truth and what isn't. 

No it doesn't.  Nature (which is a science journal, not a magazine, Mr. Science) doesn't have the stature that it has for shrieking like a girl and hiding under a desk the minute that a "political wind" starts blowing.  For all of your bleating about how the science has become "politicized," it is you and your ilk that are responsible for that.  What the fuck do you care what Nature says or does?  You'll still get to eat horse paste and drink urine and pop viagra to your hearts content.  No one is oppressing you.  No, the real reason your rectum is ablaze is that getting a thumbs-up in Nature would at least partially validate your frayed asshole of a political philosophy and your rampant paranoia that it is The Man, and not you, that is responsible for your two-inch cock of a life.

I have not yet encountered a more miserable, more prestige-starved poster on the Internet than you.  You probably kick dogs for sport, and fill in your first name as "Mister" on forms.  When Nature and other journals published that paper, why, I'll bet that you felt your nipples tighten in anticipation while you made room in your medicine cabinet for a celebratory bottle of Vicodin.  And then...all of your hopes and dreams hurled as cruelly and violently to the floor as Senda was by his defective inflatable mattress.  IT DIDN'T EVEN ENTER PEER REVIEW.  It simply CAN'T be that you got it that wrong -- again.  To believe that is tantamount to accepting that you have been a miserable failure all of your life, and not that your success has been thwarted by those that pretend to be your betters..  It CAN'T be that people who actually know what in the fuck they are doing decided that folk medicines from kooks and opportunists on the Internet wasn't the best path to a solution.  No, it MUST be a gigantic, monstrous conspiracy to hide the truth.  Again. 

Cheer up, buddie.  You'll always have Senda between you and rock-fucking-bottom, whether it is in life accomplishment or number of teeth in your head.     

[PB]

No it doesn't.  Nature (which is a science journal, not a magazine...   

''It's not a magazine, it's a journal !''

Lol

[HamsterMuscle]

''It's not a magazine, it's a journal !''

Lol

So you don't know the difference between a journal and a magazine?

Has anyone ever told you that you are a moron?

Do your own research, cockslap.  I'm sure that you won't find why you just humiliated yourself.

[Bart Ell]

That’s a pretty good sample size. Some of the most fit, low risk males on the planet.

Yes and one out of the 4 unvaccinated dummies probably won't play again.

Every one of those guys has access to anything they want. I’d bet money that many were/are taking HCQ and/or ivermectin as a prophylactic. I know I would if I was in their skates.

You might as well just burn that money now.
They have good doctors and good doctors would never give them any of that stuff for covid because, as we have seen, it does sweet snot all.
Also, what players are given for any issue has to be on the list of approved treatments for that specific issue and neither of those are anywhere near the approved list.

Now you want to be in skates?
HAVE YOU NOT LEARNED FROM SKIS?

[Bart Ell]

A quick search shows that this article was retracted by several publications, including Nature.  Here is the text that explains the retraction, as given by The Journal of Antibiotics:

"The Editor-in-Chief has retracted this article. Following publication, concerns were raised regarding the methodology and the conclusions of this review article. Postpublication review confirmed that while the review article appropriately describes the mechanism of action of ivermectin, the cited sources do not appear to show that there is clear clinical evidence of the effect of ivermectin for the treatment of SARS-CoV-2. The Editor-in-Chief therefore no longer has confidence in the reliability of this review article. None of the authors agree to this retraction."

So, it's active, and the authors apparently correctly described what is going on with it in your body.  But the authors failed to convince those doing peer review that those actions are efficacious in treating COVID.

Even if we pretend that was not the case let us have a peekaboo at what they came up with -

Conclusion
Considering the urgency of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, simultaneous detection of various new mutant strains and future potential re-emergence of novel coronaviruses, repurposing of approved drugs such as Ivermectin could be worthy of attention.

It was given attention by the McMaster repurposing trial and it was shown to do nothing.
It did so much nothing they stopped it early.
NO MAS.
Like a first round KO.
Useless for covid confirmed... unless you also have a parasite issue.

To date, it has been a race to scour the properties of known drugs and test those that might be helpful against COVID. The nine drugs that Mills’ group has put through clinical trials out of his Vancouver office have led to some important discoveries.

His team were the ones to identify the cheap antidepressant fluvoxamine as a potential early treatment to prevent hospitalization of at-risk COVID patients.

They were also among the first to show that hydroxychloroquine and the anti-parasite drug ivermectin are not effective treatments.

“We did hydroxychloroquine in the beginning and that was a very important trial because we showed that it didn’t work, even though there were people prescribing it,” Mills said.

Based on the strength of their results, other investigators stopped recruiting subjects for subsequent studies, he added.

“So negative trials can be as meaningful as positive trials, (although) obviously it’s a little bit more fun to do positive trials.”

Researchers have trialed everything from HIV treatments to diabetes drugs for potential repurposing, Mills said. Some, such as ivermectin, have wound up becoming political beyond the science that brought them up for consideration.

“In the beginning, there was a lot of scientific interest in (ivermectin),” Mills said, because in computer modelling, it showed “signals” the anti-parasite drug could be effective against the COVID virus.

The drug, however, “also indicates it works for Ebola and Zika (virus) and everything,” he added.

Mills’ group, however, conducted the largest trial to show that ivermectin is not an effective treatment for COVID alone.

Unfortunately, those promoting ivermectin as a treatment are doing so blindly, Mills said, while critics dismiss the treatment unscientifically as a “horse dewormer,” when it has plenty of uses in humans.

“It’s a fantastic drug for conditions like river blindness and parasitic infections,” Mills said.

And the reason he doesn’t believe ivermectin should be completely dismissed is because “we don’t understand the role of parasite co-infection during COVID,” Mills said, including places where there are a lot of parasitic infections that end up in the lungs of patients.

“If you’re genuinely treating those (parasite) infections, you probably are having an effect on the COVID outcomes,” Mills said.

https://vancouversun.com/health/local-health/covid-19-clinical-trials-must-focus-on-treatment-rather-than-prevention-says-b-c-researcher

[Bart Ell]

Has anyone ever told you that you are a moron?

I may have hinted at it.

[Bart Ell]

Why would I drink my own urine?  I have ivermectin.

Don't you want to be doubly non helped?

[PB]

So you don't know the difference between a journal and a magazine?

Has anyone ever told you that you are a moron?

Do your own research, cockslap.  I'm sure that you won't find why you just humiliated yourself.

I wonder how all those journals got it so wrong, before the covid science police got them straightened out.

[PB]

I may have hinted at it.

I think she meant me, but ok

[GravitySucks]

Yes and one out of the 4 unvaccinated dummies probably won't play again.

You might as well just burn that money now.
They have good doctors and good doctors would never give them any of that stuff for covid because, as we have seen, it does sweet snot all.
Also, what players are given for any issue has to be on the list of approved treatments for that specific issue and neither of those are anywhere near the approved list.

Now you want to be in skates?
HAVE YOU NOT LEARNED FROM SKIS?

I’ve spent plenty of time on skates. Mostly hockey, but I raced some on speed skates as a kid. Figure skates were always dangerous for me. In 79/80 I rented a pair at the Olympic oval in Lake Placid and whacked my head pretty hard as I meant to just spin around to look towards the ski jump at the finish line but did more of a toe loop with a half gainer. I’d skates a few times every year up in the north country but always on hockey skates.

I played defense and goalie as a kid. Playing 3rd base in baseball gave me a good glove hand. And I was always pretty quick skating backwards so I was destined to play defense. Worst day ever I was playing goalie at a retention pond in a place we really weren’t supposed to be at along the railroad tracks. I was probably 11. Fell through the ice. It was only chest deep but my skates went into the mud and everyone was afraid to help pull me out. After a few minutes of screaming a high school kid laid down, grabbed me by the hoodie and pulled me out. The kid absolutely saved my life. I had to run home about a half mile to try and warm up. Never skated there again.

Behind my house we had half of a baseball field. It had a backstop and a pitchers mound. The plot of land was only wide enough for the bases and left field. Center fielder and right fielder always stood in the street. About 20’ past third base they had dug down about a foot for an ice skating “pond”. The city would flood it using a fire hydrant in the winter to skate on. The first few years that’s all there was.  When I was about 12 they installed boards and we had an actual hockey rink. About 2 years later they installed lights. Up until then all we had was the lights from a huge bowling alley parking lot that was next to it. Living there was pretty decent for city life. Not unlike that movie Sandlot. In the summer we played pickup games of baseball and softball all day every day. In the fall it was football and baseball. In the winter hockey. Springtime was a mess because it could take awhile for left field to dry out enough to play baseball.

I love winter sports. I’ve skied, snowboarded, drove the 2 man, rode number 2 on the 4 man, had 18 trips on the luge and was one of the few to try the luge from the mile start at Mt Van Hoevenberg. I really wanted to try Cresta when I was in St Moritz but one of the coaches grabbed me and said if I got injured in the slightest I was being sent back stateside. Snow shoes and cross country skis were a good way to get some cross training in to break up the monotony of running in the winter.

I never tried ski jumping but I used to run the wooden stairs at the old ski jump. There were a few guys that offered to teach me how to jump but I never took them up on it. I never tried barrel jumping either. I was comfortable on speed skates and one of my bobsled coaches was willing to teach me the basics. His father was Bunny Sheffield who used to be a really good speed skater and barrel jumper. When I was really young I remember watching barrel jumping on wild world of sports.

I enjoyed the few times I have tried snowmobiling. If I lived where it snowed I would probably have one or two. I’ve been blasting up the river beds in the Adirondack mountains and out on lake Champlain ice fishing. But not since 1980. My gf is actually from @Walks_At_Night neck of the woods and many of her friends have snow machines. There’s a chance we may head up there some winter for a trip to northern Michigan or the UP for an overnight  tundra excursion.


I love skiing but I was never really that good at it. I never had a lesson and once I got stationed at Plattsburgh I could only really ski after the bobsled season ended. I did learn how to get down no matter how icy the runs were. I never had a chance to ski much in powder. Once I lost my eye I decided to become an expert skier. I refused to just sit around feeling sorry for myself. I remember the first time I got off the gondola at Vail and looked around at the snow covered peaks. I don’t have depth perception but I had a new found appreciation for the beauty of the snow covered mountains. I couldn’t afford many days each season but I got better every year. Once I decided to buy a season pass to Vail resorts I was pretty much all in. I got to where I was pretty fearless and would ski anywhere as long as there wasn’t moguls. Lack of depth perception makes that too tough for me. But I have a blast. In the last 10 years I have skied well over 1 million vertical feet - and that’s just counting the places I skied on my Epic pass. Approaching 1000 lifts/runs and have fallen less than a dozen times. Many would say I’m not trying hard enough.  I still have troubles with powder. I’m much more comfortable on hard packed or icy runs because of my orientation in the Adirondack and Green mountains. I enjoyed slalom courses for a few years doing the Nastar stuff but didn’t do it enough to get that good. I love doing the downhill type skiing. Using the technology in a pair of goggles my gf bought me pushed me to see what I could get my top speed up to. 56mph was my personal record. Then I retired the goggles. I was starting to scare myself. A person has to know his limitations. I knew if I kept wearing them I was going to strive for 60 which would then make me switch them to metric to break 100kph. I sensed something else would break along the way.

I’ve been slowing down since my concussion and compression fractures last February. I switched to shorter skis. I’m looking for a decent pair of snow blades to try. My current skis I use the most are only 145s but I’d like to try the shorter, wider blades. I used to be comfortable skiing backwards. Since the concussion it’s not quite as much fun. Harder to relax.

In 2010 I took a snowboarding lesson at Heavenly and was actually pretty comfortable with it. I had started wakeboarding in 2008 and it was a similar technique.  I was going to switch to snowboarding when I needed new equipment but by that time I had progressed and become so good at skiing that I didn’t want to start over.

Last year I skied 25 days. That’s the most in one year for me. 15 of those days were after my concussion/compression fracture incident in Park City. I don’t remember much of those 15 days but when I look at the pictures it appears I was having fun. This year I should get at least 20. I have 5 now. Driving to Colorado, Utah and then back to Colorado in at the end of the month. That’s 3 more weeks of skiing. Not sure if I’ll make another trip in March. I’m trying to find a reasonable place to stay for a 4th and 5th week since we’ll already be up there. Part of me wants to set a new personal best for number of days but part of me wants to save the money so I can go back to Thailand for 6-8 weeks later this year.

3 or 4 years ago I decided to revisit bobsledding.  I was at Whistler for a week and signed up for the bobsled experience. My thought at the time was to do all 4 runs in North America. Whistler, Calgary, Park City and finish up back in Lake Placid. I gave up those plans. The run at Whistler was uneventful but it triggered too much PTSD for me. It was the first time I sat in a sled since my accident right before the LP Olympics. The run was smooth, fast and the sled itself felt much safer than the ones we raced in but I didn’t like it. I don’t see myself going down a run again unless I get a chance to drive a monobob. I don’t think I would trigger the ptsd if I was driving. Depth perception would still be a challenge but it can’t be any worse than the trip that I had a contact pop out in the middle of the first curve at Mt Van Hoevenberg. The run there now is completely reconfigured. No more Shady curve. No more zigzag. Much safer than it was when I was competing. I could drive it and drive it well.

Sadly, I have hung up my skates. I used to enjoy it but the ice seems to be getting harder as I get older.

Just remember. A body at rest tends to stay at rest. A body in motion tends to stay in motion. Keeping that in mind and seeking something every single day that brings me joy keeps me going.

[HamsterMuscle]

I’ve spent plenty of time on skates. Mostly hockey, but I raced some on speed skates as a kid. Figure skates were always dangerous for me. In 79/80 I rented a pair at the Olympic oval in Lake Placid and whacked my head pretty hard as I meant to just spin around to look towards the ski jump at the finish line but did more of a toe loop with a half gainer. I’d skates a few times every year up in the north country but always on hockey skates.

I played defense and goalie as a kid. Playing 3rd base in baseball gave me a good glove hand. And I was always pretty quick skating backwards so I was destined to play defense. Worst day ever I was playing goalie at a retention pond in a place we really weren’t supposed to be at along the railroad tracks. I was probably 11. Fell through the ice. It was only chest deep but my skates went into the mud and everyone was afraid to help pull me out. After a few minutes of screaming a high school kid laid down, grabbed me by the hoodie and pulled me out. The kid absolutely saved my life. I had to run home about a half mile to try and warm up. Never skated there again.

Behind my house we had half of a baseball field. It had a backstop and a pitchers mound. The plot of land was only wide enough for the bases and left field. Center fielder and right fielder always stood in the street. About 20’ past third base they had dug down about a foot for an ice skating “pond”. The city would flood it using a fire hydrant in the winter to skate on. The first few years that’s all there was.  When I was about 12 they installed boards and we had an actual hockey rink. About 2 years later they installed lights. Up until then all we had was the lights from a huge bowling alley parking lot that was next to it. Living there was pretty decent for city life. Not unlike that movie Sandlot. In the summer we played pickup games of baseball and softball all day every day. In the fall it was football and baseball. In the winter hockey. Springtime was a mess because it could take awhile for left field to dry out enough to play baseball.

I love winter sports. I’ve skied, snowboarded, drove the 2 man, rode number 2 on the 4 man, had 18 trips on the luge and was one of the few to try the luge from the mile start at Mt Van Hoevenberg. I really wanted to try Cresta when I was in St Moritz but one of the coaches grabbed me and said if I got injured in the slightest I was being sent back stateside. Snow shoes and cross country skis were a good way to get some cross training in to break up the monotony of running in the winter.

I never tried ski jumping but I used to run the wooden stairs at the old ski jump. There were a few guys that offered to teach me how to jump but I never took them up on it. I never tried barrel jumping either. I was comfortable on speed skates and one of my bobsled coaches was willing to teach me the basics. His father was Bunny Sheffield who used to be a really good speed skater and barrel jumper. When I was really young I remember watching barrel jumping on wild world of sports.

I enjoyed the few times I have tried snowmobiling. If I lived where it snowed I would probably have one or two. I’ve been blasting up the river beds in the Adirondack mountains and out on lake Champlain ice fishing. But not since 1980. My gf is actually from @Walks_At_Night neck of the woods and many of her friends have snow machines. There’s a chance we may head up there some winter for a trip to northern Michigan or the UP for an overnight  tundra excursion.


I love skiing but I was never really that good at it. I never had a lesson and once I got stationed at Plattsburgh I could only really ski after the bobsled season ended. I did learn how to get down no matter how icy the runs were. I never had a chance to ski much in powder. Once I lost my eye I decided to become an expert skier. I refused to just sit around feeling sorry for myself. I remember the first time I got off the gondola at Vail and looked around at the snow covered peaks. I don’t have depth perception but I had a new found appreciation for the beauty of the snow covered mountains. I couldn’t afford many days each season but I got better every year. Once I decided to buy a season pass to Vail resorts I was pretty much all in. I got to where I was pretty fearless and would ski anywhere as long as there wasn’t moguls. Lack of depth perception makes that too tough for me. But I have a blast. In the last 10 years I have skied well over 1 million vertical feet - and that’s just counting the places I skied on my Epic pass. Approaching 1000 lifts/runs and have fallen less than a dozen times. Many would say I’m not trying hard enough.  I still have troubles with powder. I’m much more comfortable on hard packed or icy runs because of my orientation in the Adirondack and Green mountains. I enjoyed slalom courses for a few years doing the Nastar stuff but didn’t do it enough to get that good. I love doing the downhill type skiing. Using the technology in a pair of goggles my gf bought me pushed me to see what I could get my top speed up to. 56mph was my personal record. Then I retired the goggles. I was starting to scare myself. A person has to know his limitations. I knew if I kept wearing them I was going to strive for 60 which would then make me switch them to metric to break 100kph. I sensed something else would break along the way.

I’ve been slowing down since my concussion and compression fractures last February. I switched to shorter skis. I’m looking for a decent pair of snow blades to try. My current skis I use the most are only 145s but I’d like to try the shorter, wider blades. I used to be comfortable skiing backwards. Since the concussion it’s not quite as much fun. Harder to relax.

In 2010 I took a snowboarding lesson at Heavenly and was actually pretty comfortable with it. I had started wakeboarding in 2008 and it was a similar technique.  I was going to switch to snowboarding when I needed new equipment but by that time I had progressed and become so good at skiing that I didn’t want to start over.

Last year I skied 25 days. That’s the most in one year for me. 15 of those days were after my concussion/compression fracture incident in Park City. I don’t remember much of those 15 days but when I look at the pictures it appears I was having fun. This year I should get at least 20. I have 5 now. Driving to Colorado, Utah and then back to Colorado in at the end of the month. That’s 3 more weeks of skiing. Not sure if I’ll make another trip in March. I’m trying to find a reasonable place to stay for a 4th and 5th week since we’ll already be up there. Part of me wants to set a new personal best for number of days but part of me wants to save the money so I can go back to Thailand for 6-8 weeks later this year.

3 or 4 years ago I decided to revisit bobsledding.  I was at Whistler for a week and signed up for the bobsled experience. My thought at the time was to do all 4 runs in North America. Whistler, Calgary, Park City and finish up back in Lake Placid. I gave up those plans. The run at Whistler was uneventful but it triggered too much PTSD for me. It was the first time I sat in a sled since my accident right before the LP Olympics. The run was smooth, fast and the sled itself felt much safer than the ones we raced in but I didn’t like it. I don’t see myself going down a run again unless I get a chance to drive a monobob. I don’t think I would trigger the ptsd if I was driving. Depth perception would still be a challenge but it can’t be any worse than the trip that I had a contact pop out in the middle of the first curve at Mt Van Hoevenberg. The run there now is completely reconfigured. No more Shady curve. No more zigzag. Much safer than it was when I was competing. I could drive it and drive it well.

Sadly, I have hung up my skates. I used to enjoy it but the ice seems to be getting harder as I get older.

Just remember. A body at rest tends to stay at rest. A body in motion tends to stay in motion. Keeping that in mind and seeking something every single day that brings me joy keeps me going.

Isn't there supposed to be a recipe at the end of this?