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« Reply #2700 on: January 07, 2022, 11:34:23 PM »
Anything...absolutely ANYTHING, even if it is another drug from Pfizer, so long as it is not the vaccine.

The anti-vaxxers wouldn't know a turd from a tootsie roll if they had it in their mouths.

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« Reply #2701 on: January 08, 2022, 12:06:19 AM »
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« Reply #2702 on: January 08, 2022, 04:04:48 AM »
Anything...absolutely ANYTHING, even if it is another drug from Pfizer, so long as it is not the vaccine.

The anti-vaxxers wouldn't know a turd from a tootsie roll if they had it in their mouths.

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« Reply #2703 on: January 08, 2022, 10:46:11 AM »
Meanwhile, the vaccines approved by Science, Inc don't keep people from getting it or passing it along.

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« Reply #2704 on: January 08, 2022, 12:37:07 PM »
Meanwhile, the vaccines approved by Science, Inc don't keep people from getting it or passing it along.
Most of the 23 people in my wife's crew are fully vaxxed. 8 of them are now on house arrest for 5 days with the covid.  WITHOUT PAY!

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« Reply #2705 on: January 08, 2022, 01:57:56 PM »
Most of the 23 people in my wife's crew are fully vaxxed. 8 of them are now on house arrest for 5 days with the covid.  WITHOUT PAY!

23, 8, 5, "most." 

Why so coy with that last number?  Is it because "15" would ruin the story?  Would "most" of the unvaxxed being sick also ruin the story?

Remember kids...the story doesn't have to be true, so long as it owns the libburals.

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« Reply #2706 on: January 08, 2022, 02:26:50 PM »
Interesting that Germany, Denmark, and England report between 75-86% of omicron cases are among the vaccinated.
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« Reply #2707 on: January 08, 2022, 03:08:18 PM »
Interesting that Germany, Denmark, and England report between 75-86% of omicron cases are among the vaccinated.

In Manila, people are getting sick left and right.  Vaccinated, too, and the compliance with getting vaccinated has been strong. 

But because most of those cases are not at a level that requires hospitalization, a large majority are staying home and taking conventional flu medicines.  They are not getting tested (why bother, and it's expensive) and are not showing up on official case counts.

Now, let's suppose that you have a country where opposition to vaccines and even belief in COVID at all are a statement of political identify.  Not even your Supreme Leader is immune from criticism for failing to toe the line.  Now, you have a situation where people would also stay at home and self-medicate (with Viagra!) and not get tested, and not end up on the official case lists, because opposing the system in every form is an imperative.

How do you think that might affect the statistics?

A less strained statistic would be found here:

"The ICU occupancy rate per million is 135.6 for unvaccinated people and just 9.2 for those who have gotten two doses of COVID-19 vaccines. So vaccination reduces the ICU risk by 93.2 percent."

https://reason.com/2022/01/06/omicron-vs-the-unvaccinated-and-the-vaccinated/

So, these are people who have gone to the hospital for treatment, and ended up in the ICU.  That normalizes the statistics,  because you can rest assured that you are looking at the whole population and not a sample.

It also raises a question about how it would be that ~80% of the all cases are among the vaccinated, but 90%+ of the severe cases are vaccinated.  Probably fake news.

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« Reply #2708 on: January 08, 2022, 05:22:53 PM »
... Remember kids...the story doesn't have to be true, so long as it owns the libburals.

You seem bitter that the people who want to be left alone can so easily point out the incompetence and failed policies of the libburals, as you call them, who want to run everyone's lives and tell them what to do.

Imagine Joe, Kamala, Fauci, Walensky, Schumer and Pelosi making the rules for national health care and appointing people to run it.  Even at the local level it's always going to be politics first with them, in New York state they've decided to prioritize non-white patients.  So yeah, we're going to keep pointing it out..

https://news.yahoo.com/york-says-prioritize-non-white-171224095.html

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« Reply #2709 on: January 08, 2022, 05:25:46 PM »
Not fake news.  This appears to be how leaky vaccinations work.
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« Reply #2710 on: January 08, 2022, 05:54:02 PM »
You seem bitter that the people who want to be left alone can so easily point out the incompetence and failed policies of the libburals, as you call them, who want to run everyone's lives and tell them what to do.

Imagine Joe, Kamala, Fauci, Walensky, Schumer and Pelosi making the rules for national health care and appointing people to run it.  Even at the local level it's always going to be politics first with them, in New York state they've decided to prioritize non-white patients.  So yeah, we're going to keep pointing it out..

https://news.yahoo.com/york-says-prioritize-non-white-171224095.html

So, you agree that it's not true?  A refreshing bit of honesty. 

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« Reply #2711 on: January 08, 2022, 05:59:00 PM »
This appears to be how leaky vaccinations work.

Well, I hope that it was clear that I made a typo: "...~80% of the all cases are among the vaccinated, but 90%+ of the severe cases are UNvaccinated."

There isn't any mechanism for how that astounding phenomenon would happen, of course, other than spooky conspiracy weirdness that fits "facts" to a predetermined conclusion.  Life in the conspiracy world must be like watching a slasher movie -- all the excitement, with none of the danger.  And the sequels never end!  "The Bloodthirsty Fangs of Bill Gates XXIII."  What fun!

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« Reply #2712 on: January 09, 2022, 03:46:57 AM »
Not fake news.  This appears to be how leaky vaccinations work.

I agree, not fake.
In the same way you would expect a guy to hit 324 home runs in 2022 because he hit 2 home runs in his first game.
The Denmark number was based on the first 780ish cases.
Yesterday Denmark had 11,604.

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« Reply #2713 on: January 09, 2022, 07:03:48 AM »
Well, I hope that it was clear that I made a typo: "...~80% of the all cases are among the vaccinated, but 90%+ of the severe cases are UNvaccinated."

There isn't any mechanism for how that astounding phenomenon would happen, of course, other than spooky conspiracy weirdness that fits "facts" to a predetermined conclusion.  Life in the conspiracy world must be like watching a slasher movie -- all the excitement, with none of the danger.  And the sequels never end!  "The Bloodthirsty Fangs of Bill Gates XXIII."  What fun!

What is considered a “severe case”. I’ve seen changing definitions.

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« Reply #2714 on: January 09, 2022, 03:50:15 PM »
What is considered a “severe case”. I’ve seen changing definitions.

In the context of my post, it meant cases where the hospitalized patient ended up in the ICU.

My point was, making conclusions based on case counts is inherently less reliable because the case counts are only a sample of the actual, total number of cases (because some cases are not reported).  Meanwhile, the hospitalized cases study is much closer to analyzing an entire population.  Same goes for cases that go to the ICU (a severe case, by my description). 

The results between what was presented by Juan and myself diverge.  Why?  I just explained my version of it; that the data found by Juan could be unreliable (see Bart's post), while the Ontario study (hospitalization rates) was likely to be reliable.

Juan's conclusion, on the other hand, is that there is some unknown spooky effect that the awful horrible vaccine imparts that runs contrary to all of the science for reasons. 

Everyone can come to their own conclusions on this.  I'm not going to hold your dick for you.  Unless you ask.