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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2730 on: January 10, 2022, 05:59:07 AM »
Also: An image search for "hot milkmaid" leads to some impressive items.  Who knew?

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2731 on: January 10, 2022, 06:14:41 AM »
I mean like.... What the hell? 
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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2732 on: January 10, 2022, 06:20:49 AM »
Apparently this milk maid thing is it's own little world of perversion.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2733 on: January 10, 2022, 07:07:02 AM »
Also: An image search for "hot milkmaid" leads to some impressive items.  Who knew?

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2734 on: January 10, 2022, 07:20:44 AM »
Apparently this milk maid thing is it's own little world of perversion.
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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2735 on: January 10, 2022, 08:35:07 AM »
... Or they were like PB - raging at clouds and blaming others for his inability to educate himself via sources that do not sell you bug out bags and freeze dried food supplies...

I don't even know where to buy any of that.

But yeah, everything we've been told by Biden, Fouci, the media, the CDC and NIH, and my state health officials sounds legit and not the least bit heavy-handed or fascistic.  Even when they contradict each other and themselves.

I'm glad we're being censored, lied to, our questions are ignored, told one size fits all, unintended consequences are ignored, and there's no interest in the origin of all this or in the cosy relationships between big pharma, the government agencies and the government officials in charge of this.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2736 on: January 10, 2022, 09:58:57 AM »
Anecdotally speaking..

“Vaccinations require 80% of the to be vaccinated to be effective… “

I’m assuming you are saying a population needs to have 80% carrying antibodies to achieve herd immunity to be effective. In any other pandemic or even endemic situation this level would be considered achieved when a combination of natural immunity and vaccine induced immunity have accomplished providing 80% of the population with immunity. With polio the stated goal was 95% of vaccines to consider it eradicated.

That depends on the effectiveness of the vaccine. They’ve been administering these vaccines for a year. It’s been failing to provide long term immunity and even people that have been double and triple vaccinated are catching it, and presumably transmitting it to others. Since the boosters have only been authorized for four months or so, this is very troubling.

I’m obviously not antivacinne. I have had 2 doses of the j&j vaccine. Still caught the damn bug within 3 months of the second shot. I’m anti vaccine mandate. There has been no provision in any of the mandates to accommodate natural immunity. Nobody knows for sure how long natural immunity lasts but it sure seems to last longer than some of the vaccine induced immunity.

I got the vaccine based on a personal decision. I looked at my own circumstances, risk factors, desire to travel with as few restrictions as possible and the health of those people close to me. I’m not having any more kids. Not worried about passing any genetic mutations onto a future generation. By most accounts I’m not high risk. I’m in excellent shape, get outdoors quite a bit, have a low BMI, but I am over 65 and I do have type A blood so those are two higher risk factors. But I’m in close contact with a few people that have compromised immune symptoms. My decision to get vaccinated was based on the totality of my own situation. I didn’t want to be responsible for getting someone else infected, I wanted to travel back to Thailand and they were requiring vaccination and I believed at the time that the vaccine would protect me from getting sick and transmitting the disease. If I had contracted Covid before May of last year and had natural immunity I would not have gotten vaccinated until I absolutely had to because of imminent travel plans back to Thailand.

Well shit even with 2 doses of the j&j vaccine I got sick and it wasn’t going to be a mild case. Once I felt the first symptoms it started going south really quickly. My O2 dropped from 98 to 90 in less than 24 hours. One of my lungs already had bronchitis. By the time I tested positive at 1pm I was seriously debating going to the ER. If it hadn’t been a Friday and Christmas Eve I might have. About 25 years ago I got life flighted to a Houston emergency room on a Friday afternoon the day I got blinded in my left eye. I laid on the gurney until after midnight before I was examined by a doctor and administered my first pain medication. So much for hurrying to the hospital. I wasn’t going to go through an ordeal like that again just to get a prescription for ivermectin or some other therapeutic. I experimented with my O2 meter and proved to myself that I could raise my O2 levels by deep breathing/hyperventilating exercises that I used to do when freediving. It would raise up to the mid 90s.

I took the first dose of ivermectin and told myself that if I was feeling any worse the next day I was going to go to the ER. But 6 hours later my symptoms began to go away. Within 24 hours I was basically symptom free except for some residual burning from the bronchitis.  Ol Bart says placebo effect. Well why didn’t the placebo effect of my supplements or my two vaccinations protect me? Ol Bart says neurofeedback is a placebo effect. Sometimes you just have to experience something for yourself to know full well what occurred.  I am beginning to believe that the booster I got in the fall actually harmed my overall immune system. Since the start of the pandemic I had been exposed to several people that were sick with minor symptoms who ended up testing positive. I never caught it despite traveling all over the country many times. I believe a healthy immune system protected me.  Without any kind of baseline blood work I’ll never know for sure. But one thing I do know.  Now that I have had Covid I will not stand in line for another booster.
I’ll take an antibody test to prove I had it but I will not get another vaccine knowing that ivermectin works for me.


I believe these vaccinations can fuck with our immune systems and make us more susceptible to catching the damn virus (and other viruses as well). I think that is why some people are developing these “Long Covid” symptoms.  It’s hard to find reliable data but there are doctors raising the flag and warning that the vaccines may be harming immune systems. Last year I started looking for a doctor that would give me a BCG vaccine because I believe that vaccine is one of the safest vaccinations on the planet and it T cell immunity for what seems like a lifetime. I actually tried enrolling in a clinical trial to at least have a 50% chance of getting the BCG vaccine. I never got contacted even though I submitted 2 different applications. The US never required the BCG vaccine for TB but in countries that did require it, it appears that it has had a positive impact for the people that had received it as a child.

So I’m obviously not anti-vaccine. I’m anti experimental, unproven vaccine mandate. My daughter is 25. She survived Covid before vaccines were available. But this last year she decided to get the Pfizer jabs because of her employer complying with the government mandates. Her choice of Pfizer scares me. She was worried about the blood clot issues for some females with the j&j vaccine.

Vermont is close to 90% vaccinated. While their infection numbers aren’t that bad at first glance they’ve been going up  since about the time people started receiving boosters. Texas is getting close to 70% and with 5 million confirmed cases must be over the 80% mark but the number of daily cases is at an all time high. More than double what it was in August and that only includes confirmed cases, not people like me that took an at home test and recovered with no official record. The good news is that the death rate is much, much lower than it was at it’s peak in August. Part of this is certainly attributable to the immunity from vaccines making for milder cases. Part of it is because doctors are prescribing therapeutics that have proven to work for most people.

Texas has the challenge of the invasion across the border of illegal aliens. The Biden administration then infects the rest of the country by flying them and releasing them without requiring any vaccinations. So you have to have a vaccine to work but you don’t need a vaccine for a free plane ticket and government relocation assistance. And these flights are absolutely happening. In November I flew from Tucson to Houston. Every single seat was taken. Approximately half of the people had ICE paperwork and vouchers to get them to Orlando.

So here are my thoughts. These vaccines are still experimental with unknown long term side effects. These vaccines do not seem to prevent infection. These vaccines do cause serious health problems for some degree of people that receive them. There are therapeutics that work to help prevent serious infections and death. People should be able to make their own decisions based on their own risk factors. These mandates where the only option for not being vaccinated is frequent testing is bullshit. There would have been a much more positive acceptance of these vaccines if the government would have acknowledged that natural immunity was at least as good as vaccines and given an option for those people to skip the vaccine if they tested positive for antibodies. I’d still bitch about the mandate as government overreach but many others would be okay with it because they had already recovered.

What’s the endgame for the government?  Mandating a booster every 3 months?  How about they mandate the elimination of high risk activities. Outlaw alcohol and anyone that drinks alcohol will be sent to a 3 month rehabilitation camp. Outlaw tobacco and anyone that smoked tobacco will be denied medical care. Anyone with a BMI over 30 will be given an option of confinement to a physical fitness boot camp for 9 months or will undergo bariatric surgery. If you are going to deny care to unvaccinated then why not deny care to those that jeopardize their health through personal decisions.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2737 on: January 10, 2022, 10:10:29 AM »
... I took the first dose of ivermectin... 6 hours later my symptoms began to go away. Within 24 hours I was basically symptom free except for some residual burning from the bronchitis.  Ol Bart says placebo effect...

Clearly you just had a case of horse worms...   :o

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2738 on: January 10, 2022, 12:52:00 PM »
There has been no provision in any of the mandates to accommodate natural immunity.

Paul Stanley got it twice within a few months.
Did he not have any natural immunity from the first time because he was vaccinated?
If so then why did other non vaccinated people get it twice in the same timeframe too?

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2739 on: January 10, 2022, 12:53:45 PM »
Ol Bart says placebo effect.

The way things work says placebo effect.

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« Reply #2740 on: January 10, 2022, 12:54:39 PM »
I don't even know where to buy any of that.

But yeah, everything we've been told by Biden, Fouci, the media, the CDC and NIH, and my state health officials sounds legit and not the least bit heavy-handed or fascistic.  Even when they contradict each other and themselves.

I'm glad we're being censored, lied to, our questions are ignored, told one size fits all, unintended consequences are ignored, and there's no interest in the origin of all this or in the cosy relationships between big pharma, the government agencies and the government officials in charge of this.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2741 on: January 10, 2022, 12:59:56 PM »
Vermont is close to 90% vaccinated. While their infection numbers aren’t that bad at first glance they’ve been going up  since about the time people started receiving boosters.

And that only matters if they are in a giant plastic border bubble that nobody can enter or leave.

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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2742 on: January 10, 2022, 01:17:08 PM »
I believe these vaccinations can fuck with our immune systems and make us more susceptible to catching the damn virus (and other viruses as well). I think that is why some people are developing these “Long Covid” symptoms.

Over 1,600 NHL and AHL players have been vaccinated.
All of them underwent their physicals and no issues were found.

4 NHL players are unvaccinated.
Josh Archibald refused to be vaccinated and has developed myocarditis and has not played since.
1 in 4... so far.

Also -
Marco Rossi caught it pre-vaccine and developed what may be career ending heart issues which were found during his physical at the start of the season.
Brandon Sutter got it pre-vaccine and has long covid issues that have kept him out since.


On the flipside the Canadiens currently have about 22 players sidelined with covid.
None of them have any real symptoms.

0 vaccinated players in the NHL or AHL are suffering from long covid symptoms.

Over 1,600 is a pretty decent sample size.
The preseason physicals they get are pretty thorough and are bound to catch things the average physical may not, especially heart related.




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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2743 on: January 10, 2022, 03:03:38 PM »
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Re: 2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading
« Reply #2744 on: January 10, 2022, 03:44:11 PM »

Over 1,600 NHL and AHL players have been vaccinated.
All of them underwent their physicals and no issues were found.

4 NHL players are unvaccinated.
Josh Archibald refused to be vaccinated and has developed myocarditis and has not played since.
1 in 4... so far.

Also -
Marco Rossi caught it pre-vaccine and developed what may be career ending heart issues which were found during his physical at the start of the season.
Brandon Sutter got it pre-vaccine and has long covid issues that have kept him out since.


On the flipside the Canadiens currently have about 22 players sidelined with covid.
None of them have any real symptoms.

0 vaccinated players in the NHL or AHL are suffering from long covid symptoms.

Over 1,600 is a pretty decent sample size.
The preseason physicals they get are pretty thorough and are bound to catch things the average physical may not, especially heart related.

That’s a pretty good sample size. Some of the most fit, low risk males on the planet. I actually was that fit for a few years. There’s no way you could have talked me into getting any of these vaccines in 1980. I had enough trouble when I had to take the rushed to market swine flu vaccine in 76. Almost cost me my spot on the USA team in 77.

I wonder how many of them received the bcg vaccine as a child or as a precaution to play international tournaments where TB is prevalent.  Canada used to offer it to children and I think they still push it in First Nations communities.

Every one of those guys has access to anything they want. I’d bet money that many were/are taking HCQ and/or ivermectin as a prophylactic. I know I would if I was in their skates.
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