2020 CoronaVirus Outbreak - That began in Wuhan, China and is spreading

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Paul Stanley got it twice within a few months.
Did he not have any natural immunity from the first time because he was vaccinated?
If so then why did other non vaccinated people get it twice in the same timeframe too?

I have no idea why he got it twice. Some people have better immune systems than others. What is his blood type?  My girlfriend is O, I’m A. Turns out they may be right about blood types and susceptibility to Covid. We are sure I caught it from her. Her only symptom was a minor sore throat. We both had the same vaccines at about the same times. Take the same supplements. Eat the same food. Close to the same age.  I’m in much better physical condition. Yet I got sick and she didn’t. Seems like people with type O are less susceptible to getting symptoms. People with type A are more susceptible. Hell of a placebo effect that one is.

 I have a friend that has MS. She has to get an infusion every 4 months. She’s been double vaxxed and boosted. When they checked her blood prior to her next scheduled infusion they found zero antibodies. She’s been trying to find somewhere in Florida that has those AstraZeneca antibody treatments that have emergency approval for people with compromised immune systems and can’t find any.

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Xiden, following Obama in weaponizing medicine availability, is rationing the antibodies to Florida.

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Anecdotally speaking..

Indeed.

That depends on the effectiveness of the vaccine. They’ve been administering these vaccines for a year. It’s been failing to provide long term immunity and even people that have been double and triple vaccinated are catching it, and presumably transmitting it to others. Since the boosters have only been authorized for four months or so, this is very troubling.

It's troubling, but not for the reason that you present here.  The vaccine was developed to deal with the original strain of the virus.  Delta had something like 19 mutations from this original strain; Omicron has about 37; IHU has 46.  The further it mutates, the less effective the vaccines are going to be.  That's the troubling part, not that the vaccine is incapable of handling anything that is thrown against it.

I’m obviously not antivacinne.

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Nobody knows for sure how long natural immunity lasts but it sure seems to last longer than some of the vaccine induced immunity.

"It sure seems to" Source?  Natural Immunity suffers from the same handicap as the vaccines, namely that the efficacy is diminished against highly-mutated strains.

Once I felt the first symptoms it started going south really quickly. [SNIP]

The last time that you posted this story, I pointed out that the sequence of events is consistent with your immune system responding to the infection and, after an initial setback, responded and clobbered the virus.

Then, I asked you to describe the mechanism behind how the Ivermectin worked, since you believe that the vaccine failed and the Ivermectin saved the day.  And you did not respond, until now, where you simply repeat your story but in more detail.  That's the rhetorical equivalent of putting your fingers in your ear and humming.

I am beginning to believe that the booster I got in the fall actually harmed my overall immune system.

Because one time you got it and other times you did not.  Now, who can argue with that?

I believe these vaccinations can fuck with our immune systems and make us more susceptible to catching the damn virus (and other viruses as well).

But you are not anti-vaccine, no sir.  "I believe;" "I think;" "It's hard to find reliable data" but you're going to believe what you want anyway.

So I’m obviously not anti-vaccine.

You're just anti-this vaccine, based on your "believes" and "thinks" and "feelings."

Vermont is close to 90% vaccinated. While their infection numbers aren’t that bad at first glance they’ve been going up  since about the time people started receiving boosters.

Could that have anything to do with the emergence of other variants, as I described above?  Better get to work with the fingers and the humming.

These vaccines are still experimental with unknown long term side effects. These vaccines do not seem to prevent infection. These vaccines do cause serious health problems for some degree of people that receive them.

Thank goodness you are not anti-vax, though.

Find something today that you can do to experience joy. Even if it is just for a minute or two. Make that a daily habit. Set a reminder alarm to make yourself seek joy each day until it becomes a habit. You won’t regret it.  Chalk it up to the placebo effect. But use bright colored chalk and make the world just a little brighter.

Let's end on this optimistic note.

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But yeah, everything we've been told by Biden, Fouci, the media, the CDC and NIH, and my state health officials sounds legit and not the least bit heavy-handed or fascistic.  Even when they contradict each other and themselves.

I'm glad we're being censored, lied to, our questions are ignored, told one size fits all, unintended consequences are ignored, and there's no interest in the origin of all this or in the cosy relationships between big pharma, the government agencies and the government officials in charge of this.

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Bart Ell already said that, try to be original

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Then, I asked you to describe the mechanism behind how the Ivermectin worked, since you believe that the vaccine failed and the Ivermectin saved the day.  And you did not respond, until now, where you simply repeat your story but in more detail.  That's the rhetorical equivalent of putting your fingers in your ear and humming.

Do your own research. You would dispute anything I posted. There are several mechanisms that ivermectin has shown not only disturbs the binding mechanism of the spike protein, but acts as an anti-inflammatory. It’s not a hunter-killer agent of the way that white blood cells attack an invader. This article lists 20 different “levels” of how ivermectin changes the body chemistry to interrupt the virus.

I already know there are words like “could”, and “can be”. The Level 2, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 20 descriptions are quite definitive. The safety of ivermectin is well understood.  It’s probably safer than aspirin.  It’s use in protecting against respiratory viruses has been known for several years. The exact mechanisms for how it helps defeat Covid is beginning to be better understood. And because it helps in numerous different manners it appears to be effective on all current mutations. Unlike the vaccines.

Look under the subheading “Direct action of Ivermectin on SARS-CoV-2”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8203399/

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/christopher-key-drink-urine-conspiracy-b1990315.html

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Do your own research. You would dispute anything I posted. There are several mechanisms that ivermectin has shown not only disturbs the binding mechanism of the spike protein, but acts as an anti-inflammatory. It’s not a hunter-killer agent of the way that white blood cells attack an invader. This article lists 20 different “levels” of how ivermectin changes the body chemistry to interrupt the virus.

I already know there are words like “could”, and “can be”. The Level 2, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 20 descriptions are quite definitive. The safety of ivermectin is well understood.  It’s probably safer than aspirin.  It’s use in protecting against respiratory viruses has been known for several years. The exact mechanisms for how it helps defeat Covid is beginning to be better understood. And because it helps in numerous different manners it appears to be effective on all current mutations. Unlike the vaccines.

Look under the subheading “Direct action of Ivermectin on SARS-CoV-2”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8203399/

A quick search shows that this article was retracted by several publications, including Nature.  Here is the text that explains the retraction, as given by The Journal of Antibiotics:

"The Editor-in-Chief has retracted this article. Following publication, concerns were raised regarding the methodology and the conclusions of this review article. Postpublication review confirmed that while the review article appropriately describes the mechanism of action of ivermectin, the cited sources do not appear to show that there is clear clinical evidence of the effect of ivermectin for the treatment of SARS-CoV-2. The Editor-in-Chief therefore no longer has confidence in the reliability of this review article. None of the authors agree to this retraction."

So, it's active, and the authors apparently correctly described what is going on with it in your body.  But the authors failed to convince those doing peer review that those actions are efficacious in treating COVID.

You seem to have done more than the superficial analysis that I accused you of in my previous post.  I apologize for that.

Any comment about the urine therapy?

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A quick search shows that this article was retracted by several publications, including Nature.  Here is the text that explains the retraction, as given by The Journal of Antibiotics:

"The Editor-in-Chief has retracted this article. Following publication, concerns were raised...

Perhaps.  Or maybe they saw which way the political wind was blowing and decided to fall in line instead of risking being attacked by the cancel mob and censored on line.

We'll never know for sure, but these are the type of doubts and questions that come up when science becomes about politics, and free speech is stifled.

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Perhaps.  Or maybe they saw which way the political wind was blowing and decided to fall in line instead of risking being attacked by the cancel mob and censored on line.

And who is the "they" you are blaring about?

We'll never know for sure

This is right out of the Trumpanzee playbook.  "If we win, it's fair; if we don't, it's corrupt."  What a bunch of babies.

The point of publication in a peer-reviewed journal is to have a paper reviewed and critiqued by people with an abundance of knowledge and experience in the field.  This paper failed right out of the gate.  It was that bad.  The only doubts and questions are those held by the anti-vaxxers, who wonder why their "facts" and reasoning are consistently rinsed.  Could it be that I am wrong?  No, it is a conspiracy by Big Pharma and the Liberals.

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And who is the "they" you are blaring about?...

The subject of the posts, Nature Magazine.

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... This is right out of the Trumpanzee playbook.  "If we win, it's fair; if we don't, it's corrupt."  What a bunch of babies...

If you don't mind being censored and lied to for the cause, good for you, it explains a lot.  I don't think it's just Trump supporters who object to it though.

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... The point of publication in a peer-reviewed journal is to have a paper reviewed and critiqued by people with an abundance of knowledge and experience in the field.  This paper failed right out of the gate.  It was that bad....

Well, like I said, maybe it was.  But again, the issue is that the retraction came during a time of canceling, censorship, and gross dishonesty - which just makes it very difficult to determine motivation in this case and determine what is the truth and what isn't. 

If you're just going to take people's word for things because they have a (D) after their name, or have been elected or appointed to high office, or because they call themselves journalists despite reporting a remarkable amount of information that turned out to be false, feel free.

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A quick search shows that this article was retracted by several publications, including Nature.  Here is the text that explains the retraction, as given by The Journal of Antibiotics:

"The Editor-in-Chief has retracted this article. Following publication, concerns were raised regarding the methodology and the conclusions of this review article. Postpublication review confirmed that while the review article appropriately describes the mechanism of action of ivermectin, the cited sources do not appear to show that there is clear clinical evidence of the effect of ivermectin for the treatment of SARS-CoV-2. The Editor-in-Chief therefore no longer has confidence in the reliability of this review article. None of the authors agree to this retraction."

So, it's active, and the authors apparently correctly described what is going on with it in your body.  But the authors failed to convince those doing peer review that those actions are efficacious in treating COVID.

You seem to have done more than the superficial analysis that I accused you of in my previous post.  I apologize for that.

Any comment about the urine therapy?

I taught survival in the Air Force. Specifically teaching aircrews how to have the best chance of survival in a radioactive environment. Since the basic concept of the 21 day plan was to cover the fb-111 escape module with as much dirt as possible and remain inside for the first 7 days, it was a given that drinking your own urine was the only hope for staying hydrated. It’s generally safe to drink your own urine. To a point. After about the 3rd time the urine is starting to build up a lot of potassium and other minerals. Drink it too many days in a row and you risk kidney failure. I never tried it myself. While I taught survival I never actually attended survival school. In survival school you definitely were tasked with drinking your own urine.

This was in the late 70s when the official position was that a total nuclear war was survivable. All you had to do is follow the 21 day plan and then take your gold coins and negotiate with the local populace to enlist their aid in getting you to the nearest friendlies. They had a silk cloth with translations in all of the main European and Soviet languages starting off somewhat like:

“I am an American crewman and I mean you and your people no harm..:”. Well duh!  You crashed either just before or just after dropping nuclear weapons on them, but now that you don’t have them anymore you obviously mean us no harm. Any longer.